Golden Boy started the cold war with their greed and abuse of power

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by MetalLicker, Apr 21, 2014.


  1. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No that article doesn't prove what you want it to prove. Golden Boy had already reserved the MGM publicly and were taking bids on the fight from the networks when Williams was the opponent. Showtime had won the fight at least by the point that Ortiz was the projected opponent, but possibly earlier. This was well before Chavez-Lee had even taken place, never mind any agreement for Chavez-Martinez. HBO may have preferred to play nice with Top Rank, but publicly Alvarez and Golden Boy had the date first.
     
  2. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    And that's why HBO dropped Golden Boy in 2013. They were getting tired of being used.

    They were trying to protect their investment in the previous years. You would too if you were in that situation. HBO help DLH developed Golden Boy and they weren't going to throw everything away without trying to make things work first.

    Looking back, they were bad decisions. However, it doesn't mean Golden Boy wasn't getting out of control. It doesn't mean they weren't trying to control HBO through manipulation and threats.
     
  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    They weren't trying to control HBO.

    They were doing what every business' goal is; to make as much money as possible for themselves and their clients (the boxers).

    HBO agreed to every fight like they do every fight; months in advance.

    It is 100% on them.

    Props to Golden Boy for making big money for themselves and fighters that didn't actually deserve those paydays.

    Shame on HBO for agreeing to do it.

    Sorry, but there is no other way of looking at it. HBO's incompetency. Golden Boy did what they should have.
     
  4. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You don't have to use the nuclear option in response to getting used though, as not even talking to GBP because of previously problematic output deals results in either de facto output deals for TR or no boxing at all. They may have deprived Golden Boy of the ability to pit the networks against each other but they've in turn deprived themselves of the ability to pit the two promoters against each other to get better fights.
     
  5. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    And Top Rank will tell you the same thing. They've planned the fight long before the Alvarez fight was inked. Even the boxing fans knew the Martinez-Chavez fight was coming, while Alvarez was without an opponent after the Ortiz loss. Schaefer wanted to put Alvarez/Lopez on HBO on Sept 15. They didn't get the date.

    But that's besides the point. Golden Boy was threatening to take their business elsewhere long before this. Like I said, it was only a matter of time before HBO got tired of dealing with Golden Boy.
     
  6. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Again, Alvarez's next fight was already going to be on Showtime before Ortiz-Lopez took place.

    And the difference is Top Rank's statements is that Martinez-Chavez had perpetually been around the corner for going on a year. The fact that this time it turned out to finally be credible doesn't mean Top Rank should have just been gifted one of the most lucrative dates of the year, particularly since Golden Boy had laid the initial public claim to it.
     
  7. LightsOutJack

    LightsOutJack Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Than watch Golden Boy fights
     
  8. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    we have to separate the 2 hbo regime.

    with greenburg and kerry davis, gbp tried to control boxing. they had HBO on their hip pockets.

    after gbp signed the exclusivity deal with hbo where they pretty much had all the dates, oscar came out to brag that him and hbo/greenburg were going to control boxing.

    with hershman, he didn't renew their deal, he is more on the philosophy of buying the best fight available.

    ....and it seems like espinoza/showtime has taken gbp's deal where they exclusively show gbp fighters.
     
  9. Farmboxer

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    One thing is for sure, Hopkins and Stevenson will never go anywhere near Kovalev...............Quillin, Sturm, will never go near Golovkin, probably not even Martinez.......................Boxing is being destroyed, the fans are being cheated out of some really good fights.............
     
  10. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    EVERY promoter had a right to claim that date. Golden Boy, Top Rank, Goosen, Main Events, everyone. Just because a promoter mouthed off doesn't mean they get it. No one is entitled to anything unless they can produce something to back it up. Top Rank was putting up Martinez-Chavez. Golden Boy wanted to put on Alvarez vs TBA. No sane person would approve that BS. Golden Boy was acting like a high maintenance woman who think they deserve everything.

    And I'm glad HBO didn't put up with that nonsense. The Martinez-Chavez fight was a big success. Alvarez-Lopez was a flop. You tell me that HBO didn't make the right decision.
     
  11. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    I saw Malik Scott take a dive and Herrera getting robbed on the same night, making it one of the most corrupted night of boxing I've ever seen.

    Soon, we're going to see 3 mismatches on the May PPV card.
     
  12. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    Your totally wrong dude,

    The rift started once DLH left. Arum was very salty but had Mayweather and a few others and didnt care.

    Mayweather left and it really got bad but Arum still had some balls to make very few fights.

    Pacquiao turning down the Mayweather fight in 2010 is what killed it all. Arum got mad Mayweather made the drug test demand but that was 1 demand. pacquiao had alot more and Arum got butt hurt.

    u shouldnt bring up HBO stuff. They gave up once Showtime signed Mayweather. they had a chance to match and didnt, thats there fault
     
  13. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    :good:good
     
  14. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    floyd demanded and got the venue....that's 2.
     
  15. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    You are so delusional, it's not even funny. This is about Golden Boy and HBO, not Floyd and Pac. Get Floyd's d*ck out of your mouth and wipe the cum off of your eyes FFS. You're pathetic.