Who Was Greater Sanchez Or Pedroza?

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  1. Flea Man

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    I would like to hear how Pedroza's resume was better.

    Pedroza has the longevity, but he does not have a greater resume than Ernesto Marcel even.
     
  2. Flea Man

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    Pedroza had far more hassle with Lujan than Chandler had with a prime Lujan.

    Admittedly Pedroza was past his best himself, but in the grand scheme of things, not a very good win (although it was a tremendous bout)
     
  3. mcvey

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    Nineteen successful defences, thirteen of them away from home?
    That's ten more than Sanchez .
    Seven year reign.
    Marcel is not germane to this discussion
     
  4. Flea Man

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    I only count successful defences of a real World championship.

    It's debatable how long Pedroza was actually the no.1. The strap he picked up was a vacant one.

    In terms of opposition faced, and the quality of them, Sanchez has the edge.

    It's a crying shame they never fought each other because then we wouldn't be having this debate.
     
  5. mcvey

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    A green Nelson and a coming up in weight Gomez plus a leakily defensive Lopez are Chava's best wins.

    The Ring had Pedroza at no1 in 1979 no 2 in 80,no 1 in 81,Champ in 82,83 and 84. In all time rankings The Ring ranked Sanchez as a top 5 feather Pedroza just a bit below, but picked Pedroza to beat him.Not sure either Castanon ,Nelson ,or Garcia were rated when Sanchez defended against them
     
  6. Flea Man

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    I went through the pluses and negatives of their opposition in an earlier post.

    Lockridge was Pedroza's best opponent, and they were very close fights.

    I'd love to rank Pedroza higher, but he should not have been ranked that highly considering what he'd actually done at the time.

    If you care to focus on the negatives for Sanchez's opposition, the same can easily be done for Pedroza's.
     
  7. mcvey

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    Flea, I'm just initiating discussion on a theme that I think could do with it.
     
  8. salsanchezfan

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    It's a worthy discussion, and the very fact it's garnered this much talk so far is proof of that.

    The question is "Who was greater" and the way one quantifies that decision is based on whether they value Sanchez's better opposition overall against Pedroza's longevity. To me, at least. That argument could be served and volleyed all day.
     
  9. TBooze

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    Pedroza had the full career, the three year world championship reign and seven year title run. We got to see all his strengths and weaknesses.

    Sanchez died young, that often because we are human, automatically gives a positive bias. He did show some exceptional form, but also a few dodgy moments. Logically, you have to go proven pedigree over potential and place Pedroza higher, but if you are a romantic... I can understand but do not agree why Sanchez is placed higher.
     
  10. klompton2

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    I think Sanchez had a slightly better resume but I think its a pick em fight. It could easily go either way.
     
  11. mcvey

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    I'm content that I have elicited this much response from respected [,by me,] posters.
    Thanks to all who participated.:good
     
  12. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    not counting the three gift decisions. you keep neglecting to mention it
     
  13. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    okay I'll do better. He was stopped three times, once by Alfonso Zamora. I never saw him whip a really good fighter fromt the states either. I thought Taylor, with 14 fights, whipped him

    for anyone complaining that Nelson only had 14 fights when Sal stopped him, he still did better than Eusebio who only got a draw

    also, Lockridge edged out Eusebio comfortably both times on my card
     
  14. mcvey

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    The Zamora fight was at a lower weight, we are comparing two men at Featherweight.Zamora was 24-0 ,all by ko at the time.

    Taylor was a fast clever boxer who would have given Sanchez fits, as did an inferior crab like Cowdell who only lost by split decision to Sanchez.

    Perdoza stopped Ford whom Chava could only out point.

    Pedroza fought a lot of these guys in their backyards Sanchez never did.

    Who you think won the two Pedroza/ Lockridge fights does not carry much gravitas with me .
    You think Ray Leonard losing to Norris when he was 35 ,and to Camacho when he had been out of the ring for 6 years, and was nearly 41 ,conclusively proves that Mayweather would beat him.
    I therefore can't place much import in your opnion.
     
  15. salsanchezfan

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    I agree about the Zamora argument and basically anything that RR says needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but I don't think the Cowdell or Ford fights can be used against Sanchez, at least in comparison with Pedroza. Fair's fair......if you're going to do that, then let's compare the Laporte fights between these two. Sanchez handled him much easier than Pedroza did. And you don't think Sanchez would have eaten up Lockridge, aggressive as he was? He was made to order for Sal. Pedroza just barely squeaked by the first time.

    That's a styles thing, pure and simple. It speaks to no higher issue of quality.