Rubin "Hurricane" Carter Dead at 76

atsch

 

Can't believe I'd never heard about Rubin Carter going to jail before now.

 

I think the movie had him winning a fight he lost. Big time puncher with a good build. Over rated as a fighter, under rated as a man.

 

The judge was familiar with the case, that was their job. Carter was not given a fair trial, so it is reasonable to assume there was doubt and thus he was innocent. As was Artis, a man who arguably was treated even worse...

 

I couldnt care less how a murderer was treated and Artis was a murderer.

The judge made several factual errors in his decision in regards to the case. Look it up.

So I take it you are one of those how believe that Carter was just a poor black patsy that was singled out by the racist white New Jersey PD? Is that the narrative you subscribe to? Or do you just feel that the "mountain of evidence" (the words of Carters own defense team) against Carter and Artis was just a horrible inconvenient mountain of coincidence?

Like I said, when someone can explain away all of the things that point DIRECTLY at Carter and Artis with something resembling any sense at all maybe I'll start to form a "reasonable doubt" until then I have NO DOUBT that Carter and Artis were guilty as sin and deserved everything they got and more.

Its interesting that the majority of people who defend Carter have gaping misconceptions about the case (often colored by incorrect media reports) while those who have researched the case extensively and have a good grasp on the facts believe him to be guilty. Like I said, generally in a case of wrongfully convicted, the more facts you get the more innocent the supposed wrongfully accused looks. In this case the more facts you get the more guilty Carter and Artis become. Maybe Im just naive but that says something to me.

 

And choosing to leave the country after he was released also raises question in my eyes.

 

I think Carter was a convenient scapegoat. I also suspect his colour did him no favours. Even today I think there is a hint racism in this story. As it not clear cut, those with a racist agenda feel they can mask their prejudice because Carter was a 'bad man'.

 

The people he choose to live with at the time, lived in Canada...

 

Well dont forget that he was attempting to clear his name win exoneration and bring the real killers to just...

Whats that you say? He never once lifted a finger to do any of that? Huh... Sounds to me like he knew he got lucky as hell and got the f out of dodge before the wind started blowing in the other direction.

 

On the flipside, you could argue that all those people who defend Carter as a victim of racism are just too lazy to go and find one of the hundreds of TRULY INNOCENT, truly-wrongfully-convicted, black men languishing within the prison system.
It's always going to be far easier to find a manipulative sociopath who writes a book.

 

Carter tried to use his alleged 'infamy' to make his case, but I know I would if I was in his shoes. And yes there are people who have suffered due to prejudice and sadly there still are. In the UK many would say the Metropolitan Police Force (London) is institutionally racist, and that has been a conclusion in formal enquiries in recent years.

 

Carter once KO'd one of the very people that helped him get out. But she musta deserved it :roll:

 

Yes, of course.
And I don't know if Carter was framed for those murders or not.
But actual murderers being set free should be as much of a concern to all. I don't know enough about the case to make any judgment, but it seems most the people who supported Carter didn't know anything either.
It's easy to jump on a bandwagon. That cuts both ways of course.

 

But the burden of proof has to be 'beyond reasonable doubt'. That you (and I) cannot reasonable prove his guilt/innocence one way or the other, there is 'reasonable doubt', thus the presumption must be he was innocent.

 

I can't prove anyone in particular is guilty of those three murders ... yet someone must be. I certainly cannot say that the murderer is innocent.

I'm in no position to say whether (or how) those two juries got it wrong.

As far as I understand it, Carter was NEVER found "not guilty", let alone "innocent". O.J. Simpson was "not guilty", a jury verdict, that's more solid than Carter's ruling. And we can't trust the justice system anyway, either way.
(But then maybe O.J. should be viewed by me as innocent. Maybe I'm prejudice to consider him a murderer. It's tricky.)

Okay, legally we are all innocent until proven guilty, but morally and actually someone was guilty as sin as soon as they pulled that trigger.
Somewhere along the line, someone has gotten away with murder.
But legally that person will die "innocent" of the crime ... or already has.

Some of the biggest criminals in history are legally innocent of their biggest crimes. Al Capone, Adolf Hitler etc. I'm not sure if it's possible to remain consistent and free from prejudice