the jones jr debate.

Steroids.

That is all.

 

Michael Nunn was more talented than Jones, Leonard or Whitaker. No question for me.

 

To each is own

 

Roid Jones tested positive for roids in the state of Indiana, I remember that........

 

The scientific studies I have read vary in their conclusions but none of them put weight gain at any higher than 1-1.05 lbs per week. Some even have put it at much lower rate like:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maki2.htm

How would I know? I would have to know the muscle gain and the weeks he trained for

 

Peak Micheal Nunn (the guy who fought Tate) was on another level. The problem was that his skill was as a boxer, but at heart he was a brawler. He really had no business losing to (green) Toney

 

i heard jones refused to reveal his drug test record. what a cheat.

 

1: Tarver is the same age as Jones
2: Jones hardly took any punishment in those 50 fights
3: Burning muscle?
He had recovered from the muscle loss by Tarver II.

http://www.secondsout.com/usa-boxing-news/usa-boxing-news/roy-jones-a-superstar-grows-older

 

He never said that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgcl9qLqX5I

 

That was Tarver's first taste of adversity as a pro and he basically folded after that ninth round. He blatantly dived as well before he came to his senses and got back up. As for Harding his career tunred out to be nothing special

Notable wins:
Tarver (green)
Notable losses:
Jones
Tarver(prime)
Dawson(green)
Johnson

He looked much better in the second fight than he did in their first fight

 

You need to have all the facts to apply logic

When the Nunn fight was put on the table for Jones he was:

-The p4p king
-A multimillionaire
-Had a long term HBO contract

Jones was at the peak of his arrogance at this time which is why he killed any fight he didn't like:
-Refused to fight Roch, because Roch missed a press conference
-Refused to fight Nunn and Guthrie because he did not think they deserved to get a decent purse

Calzaghe

Lets look where Jones was when this fight was put on the table:
-his p4p days were over after terrible losses to Johnson and tarver
-He was heavily in debt
-He had lost his contract and had burnt his bridges with showtime and comcast

HBO wanted nothing to do with him so he used guys like Tito and Calzaghe to get onto the network. Jones co-promoted the fight with Calzaghe and all of the revenue was split 50-50 down the middle.

Do you think Jones would of agreed to such financial terms in his prime? Of course not, but he was low on options.

Lebedev

After quitting in the Calzaghe fight HBO completely washed their hands of him. His ppv fights were lackluster so he had no choice but to take the money for the Lebedev fight. Where else was he going to make that kind of money?

Would Jones have gone to Russia in his prime for 500K? Of course not, but he owes millions to the IRS so he has no choice

Tarver

-The WBA was on his case to make a fight with Tua his mando. About a month before he was going to get stripped he moved down to fight Tarver

He refused to give Tarver a rematch so Tarver went to the wbc who ordered Jones to make the fight

He did not want that last fight but he was low on options and he basically quit in it anyway.

So you are ignoring the circumstances in which those fights took place and ignoring guys like: Guthrie, Jirov, Byrd and Saunders.

 

??????????

Under the rules of the sanctioning bodies a purse should get split 75-25 in favor of the champion. The problem is it is hard for these rules to get enforced which is why Jones got away with paying his opponents waay below 25% of the purse

http://articles.philly.com/1996-10-...-jones-brannon-philadelphia-s-bernard-hopkins

The only way a guy like Brannon could of got 25% is if he rejected Jones offer and his promoter outbid Jones to win the fight - something which his promoter obviously could not do, but Nunn's could. And that is why Nunn was going to get 600k. Jones did not want Nunn to make that much so he vacated the belt to stop him from getting it

Jump forward to the Frazier fight and it was basically business as usual with Frazier only getting 350k:

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/15/sports/boxing-for-underdog-in-blue-boos-are-part-of-job.html

He refused to fight Nunn because of his ego and greed. What he did after vacating the wbc belt is neither here nor there

He obviously wasn't Woods level. I was just saying that to wind up Joe.Boxer

 

-I really do hope you are not trying to imply that he pushed Nunn and Tarver into elimination bouts so he could find the time to fight all of his mandos back then.

 

He was paying guys like Frazier 250-350k because he was paying them only a fraction of what he supposed to be paying them. The only mandos who got 25% against Jones was Woods and Tarver II and it should be pointed out that he lost the purse bids for both of those fights.

 

??????

He refused to give Tarver a rematch, so Tarver went to the WBC who ordered Jones to make the rematch.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/2004-02-03-jones-tarver_x.htm

The President of HBO from 1980-2000 blames Jones for making no effort to make any of the fights at smw. He even went as far as to say he should never of even given Jones a HBO contract in the first place. A damning statement.

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/hbo-boxing-the-challenge

A statement which is at complete odds with Jones claims that he made big money offers to his smw opponents. Someone is obviously lying.

Lets look at things from O'Hallran's point of view.

Liles was a fighter who spent his career fighting in obscurity. How much was he even making per fight? 200k? 300k? He finally gets a offer to fight someone who he has been chasing for two years, the smw no 1. It's a great opportunity and if he wins then the sky is the limit. Liles agrees to the fight but is unhappy with how the money is divided so he asks for more and the fight falls through. O' Hallaron is pissed

How much was Liles offered? We have heard Jones side, but what about Liles side.
How much did Liles want?
Could Jones have compromised?

I doubt that very much.

Hill(prime)
Roch
DM

Max Kellerman? A guy who is trying to hype up Jones wins over guys like Telesco, Harmon and Grant?

Seth Abraham has given interviews about Jones career from around 1998 - onwards you should go and read them instead.

How is it irrelevant? Why mention the win in the first place then?