what the hell makes people think Pacquiao beats Alvarez

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  1. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At first I thought this was a joke when I saw it on the fourms but recently I've seen espn talking about it which made it a bit more real to me. Since hearing about it I've seen all these people talking about Pac wins and somewhat easily no disrespect to Pac but what the hell drugs are people on that give them this idea.

    I've seen people say things like Alvarez is to slow of foot but when the hell have you ever needed fast feet to catch Pacquiao or Alvarez is easy to hit Pac would have a field day ignoring that Pac gets hit by everybody and Alvarez really has a better defense.

    I see these comments that Pacquiao could do Alvarez like Cotto/Margarito and just shake my head Cotto was coming off a beatdown and a disputed decision going into the Pac fight he also had to train himself for the biggest fight of his career at the time along with an abundance of personal issues, Margarito was coming off a brutal KO and a suspension for cheating these are really the examples people use for why Pacquiao will win.

    At 152 or 154 Alvarez wins fairly easily imo I don't get why Alvarez gets **** on just because he fought Mayweather well I do but this is ridiculous, Alvarez is a big ass aggressive counter puncher/power boxer that has gotten better in every fight I've personally seen of his.

    Someone explain it because if your a Pacquiao fan why would you want this fight if your going to end the cold war I would think you'd fight someone like Garcia who is a good name but actually beatable.
     
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  2. shanahan14

    shanahan14 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    How about the fact that Canelo has stepped up twice in competition; sparked by Floyd and narrowly beat Trout.


    What the hell makes you think he can beat Pac?
     
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  3. rapscalion

    rapscalion Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If he drains him down to the point where he has to sit down in a chair at age 23 before he weighs in like he did against mayweather, then yes, I think he could beat him.
     
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  4. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    paq wouldn't have a prayer against canelo at 544,52 or even 50.
    canelo made no effort to make 54 vs angulo do to the fact angulo was going to be way heavier on fight night. he was only 4 lbs heavier but why lose a pound you don't have to.

    he made 52 very heathy, was 53 very healthy the fight before. some people on here are so phucking clueless when it comes to boxing, the ins and outs its frigin crazy.

    that's suicide for paq to even dream of fighting canelo.
     
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  5. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Styles make fights as the saying goes Mayweather is the "best of this era" so losing to him shouldn't get you written off and I gave Alvarez more rounds in that fight than I did a Cotto or a Hoya but that's me. The Trout fight was only close in rounds won because of open scoring.

    But stylistically I'd compare Alvarez to Marquez in this fight aggressive counter puncher waits for opening then counters with fast crisp flurries, even in Pacquiao's most dominate performances he's takes a lot of big shots, a good improving defense from Alvarez combined with a size advantage not to mention the age factor. Bradley is a good boxer but he's shorter with no real power and still landed quite a few big shots on Pac a bigger stronger Alvarez sparks him out landing those same shots.

    Its no mystery Pacquiao looks better against brawlers and like I said styles make fights
     
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  6. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Because Pac has demolished all Floyd's common opponents much easier aside from JMM who is a counter puncher, which Alvarez is not. Mosley, ODLH, Hatton, Cotto.

    Pac's foot movement will beffudle Alvarez. Alvarez is very similar to an old Oscar, he plods and needs to plant his feet to unleash his combos, that's why he did very well against guys like Mayorga who stood still for him, and in spurts when Floyd stood still trying to roll. Alvarez also does well against guys who stands still for him, Like Lopez. Pac danced circles around him and he could never get set, he would do the same with Alvarez.
     
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Because he's a great fighter.
     
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  8. boxing_master

    boxing_master Loyal Member banned

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    canelo couldnt even beat a 41 year old washed up mosley in a dominant fashion
    infact mosley did better against mosley then he did against pac who knocked him down:deal
     
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  9. Real-G

    Real-G Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Then you are Assuming that Pac and beat both Floyd and Trout,then thats your bad.
     
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  10. A|C|S

    A|C|S The original |A|C|S| Full Member

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    Pac would get stopped, bodyshots will eat him alive, plus he got rocked by Bradley

    Bad fight for Pac to take at this stage
     
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  11. Real-G

    Real-G Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Al these fighter where coming back from loses and where ether mentally of physically drained or both.
     
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  12. FlyingFrenchman

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    I don't know who wins but I'd love to see it. I'd want Pacquiao to win... I think. It's a tough call because I really do like both of them.

    I do think the fight should be at 154 Lbs. though. That way there would be no excuses. If Pacquiao pulled off an impressive win at 154 Lbs. vs. Alvarez he'd have the bragging rights over Mayweather. If I was in Pacquiao's camp I'd be saying things like, "Pacquiao beat a more experienced Canelo than Mayweather and he wasn't weight drained" "He's much better than Mayweather" and so on and so forth

    On the other hand if Alvarez won, he'd have something over Mayweather. Sure, Bradley had a win over Pacquiao but it was bullshlt! Marquez beat Pacquiao as well but Pac also beat him, plus Mayweather clearly beat Marquez. If Alvarez got a clear win over Pac and I was one of Alvarez' guys I'd be saying things like, "Alvarez actually faced Pacquiao and beat him, he is better now, much better than when he fought Mayweather, and he didn't have to weaken himself to make weight" "We want Mayweather at 154 if he has the cojones... and we don't think he does" something like that

    Who wins? Who cares? It's a good fight as long as Alvarez doesn't have to make 150... I think Pac should just fight him at 154.
     
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  13. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I really don't understand this nonsense.
    was this you usual dribble or were you actually trying to make some kind of silly point. please be a little more clear with you trolling,


    Thanks
     
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  14. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lol, have you ever boxed? Coming off losses don't mean ****. It comes down to the opponent. It's not like you degrade as a fighter because you lost. lol.

    Provodnikov was coming off a loss to Bradley, stopped Alvarado.
    Lennox Lewis was coming off a loss to Rahman, ktfo Rahman.
    Canelo coming off a loss to Floyd, ktfo Angulo.
    Clottey coming off a loss from Pac and ktfo Mundine (I know he had another fight beforehand).

    I have never lost a fight and thought, wow I guess I'm a worser fighter than before. Decades of training skills, stamina, power, speed dont suddenly dissappear overnight, whether you win or lose in a fight, the damage you take is what counts, not the W or L.

    I don't think Alvarez hits any harder than Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, Clottey - all big guys Pac dominated.
     
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  15. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For your first point if Alvarez is not a boxer/counter puncher what is he I'm pretty sure most people were mad that Alvarez boxed Mayweather he also boxed Trout and boxed/countered Angulo, that imo would classify him as a boxer. As for your point about common opponents I know this goes in one ear and out the other with people but
    Hoya looked good KOing #2/3 JMW Mayorga not so much in stopping Forbes
    Hatton was confident and unbeaten vs one and look bad vs Lazcano and ok vs Pulie goin into the other
    Mosley looked good vs Margarito not so much vs Mora ect...

    Not to turn this into a Mayweather/Pacquiao debate which its probably inevitable but it is what it is I'm more on how they match up Canelo/Pacman with each other
     
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