Why didn't Tyson use any head movement in the Buster Douglas fight?

Tyson's own sparring parter said he overtrained if anything, so stop playing like he was a shot to **** 40 year old man who lost on a lucky knockout because he didn't train at all. He was trained fine, young and going into his physical prime, he just wasn't as disciplined with his game plan as he was with Rooney who emphasized his need For head movement. Douglas regardless that night would have beaten him. He did every right that night and fought as good as you can against tyson. He made past the first half and in true tyson fashion he stopped going for the kill, Douglas capitalized, times him all night and knocked him out...

 

HEAVYWEIGHT CP..i reckon u are Mike the Homo's biggest ever fanboy
You dont get it.
Great post unforgiven.
Watch Mikey v Tillis,Tucker,Biggs etc..all the clues were there..
Buster D put it all together, it was coming.
Mike cleaned out a moderate bunch then got wiped out.
Any sane person should surely see that. ?

 

Cus d'mato once said..
'When 2 fighters meet,the one with the greater will,will prevail.
Unless one fighter is so naturally better than the other,that will doesn't come into it'.

 

The problem with some Tyson fans is that they want to scrutinize and analyse all the 'contributing factors' of Tyson's defeat to Douglas, and magnify every little thing into some terrible handicap on Tyson .... but if you mention that Tony Tucker had an injured hand going in to the Tyson fight, or that Pinklon Thomas was being called washed-up and had a broken shoulder, or Michael Spinks's knee was shot to pieces, just about none of those guys were 100%, the Tyson fans get very upset and dismiss those things as non-factors.

As someone has already said, it's simple. Tyson got beat by fighter who had the style to beat him.

 

i disagree/ even the non prime version of tyson that fought razor ruddock would have knocked out douglas and would have done it in 2 to 3 rds

 

he didnt train bro/ greg page told me over the phone he didnt train worth ****

 

his head movement was great in the 1st ruddock fight/ very poor in the 2nd ruddock fight/ he was trying to take ruddocks head off in the rematch/and ruddock was trying to take tysons head off in the rematch

 

The last great great fight by Joe Leyden givess a great insight into all aspects of this fight

 

UNFORGIVEN..you are spot on...
Berbick was a malaise of issues
Tucker broken hand .
Holmes outta practice,fight at short notice
Spinks..buggered knee and terrified anyway
Thomas....junkie
Tubbs.....talented junkie
Smith....ran ( but survived comfortably)
There was a mythology created around this guy...but you could see the cracks...it could have been a Bruno or a Biggs or a Tucker who eventually ripped those cracks open...IMO someone like Tucker had the ability...but it was Buster D...every credit to him for seeing beyond the hype...he never got the credit for that win...he boxed Mikey like Mikey was, ie a short hweight who cant fight going backwards and has no plan B.....from the moment he backed him up there was only one winner...Bruno Biggs Tucker Tillis had all done it in bits...Buster D sustained it.

 

I don't believe you either, what makes you so sure that he would end it so quick??

Douglas was beating Tyson up from the opening bell, there's not a shred of evidence to assume Tyson would blow him out early.

 

It is true that most fighters were never quite 100% when they fought (and lost) to Tyson.

We can even say a 1988 'prime' Tyson that destroyed Spinks and Larry Holmes was not 100%, those from his camp would say he would perform only portion of his ability that he demonstrates during training, it is mainly mental and emotional barriers that holds him back.

It goes to show no matter who you are, you need to be at your best or as close as you can at your best to survive in the pinnacle of boxing.

 

Firstly, Douglas was no mug. He always had the stylistic and size advantage over Tyson. Thats the last kinda guy you want to under prepare for

That version of Douglas would be a handful for any version of Tyson.

Secondly, i do believe Tyson was undertrained for this fight, he was sleeping with women until 4 in the morning. Apparently Mcall, who'd recently lost to Douglas had warned Tyson about this to which Tyson just laughed.

Tysons problem when he was younger was confidence, Cus helped Tyson with this, however it went to the opposite end of the scale where Tyson became over confident and felt like he was superman.

Tyson himself said he hadnt trained for hard for a number of fights before Douglas. After Spinks there was an 8 month lay off, then the Bruno fight (which was more competitive than it should have been), then a quick 1 minute destruction of Williams and some more inactivity.

Bill Cayton made a comment regarding the fight, he had heard Tyson was overweight and he knew Tyson always remember Cus advice about heavyweights coming in grossly overweight because they didnt have to make weight, Cayton believes Tyson starved himself into weakness to make a reasonable weight
This ties in with how sloppy Tyson looked in the fight, Douglas walking through Tysons punches like they were nothing.

Theres two different elements which complete this story a) the over confident champ and b) the downtrodden challenger.

Tyson looked bad because of the3 way Douglas performed but Douglas also looked so much better because he in against a poorly trained Tyson.

 

Tyson only had himself to blame, all the reasons for losing is why he as a professional should have been better prepared, not just physically but emotionally aswell.

 

Thats just, its always been Tysons problem, he thinks hes superman.

In the James Toback film, regarding Holyfield in 1996, Tysons comments were "I knew Holyfield was a good fighter, but i knew he wasnt in my league"

I think the only time Tyson trained hard post prison was the Bruno fight, The second Holyfield fight and the Lewis fight.

Even in his prime peak years, Tyson had a habit of disappearing before fights and Rooney would have to come and get him from some nightclub or from some of his dodgy friends. Against Berbick, Tyson had stds.

I dont think Tyson was ever interested in boxing, only for a short while after Cus discovered him. Tyson was too much into his ghetto life.

Jerry Izenburg said once, just prior to the Douglas fight between 89-90, Tyson came to see him and was crying. He said a newly wed, the undefeated, undisputed champion of the world was crying in my lap because he couldnt take it anymore. He said Tyson was saying everything has become all about money, he said it was fun before but now its all about money and everyone keeps asking about money.

 

I think that Tyson declined after Rooney left and he almost made a point of changing his style to spite his old team. A big F you, "I will become a better fighter". I remember a quote around that time of him saying he was now a better fighter, after he left Rooney, I know that's an obvious thing to say but maybe there was something in that to indicate how he was feeling. The problem is that he didn't really become a better fighter as he lost those defensive skills.

Mike was caught out with Douglas, it all caught up with him. The problem is we never really saw how he would have come back from it. I believe that Holyfield fight in 91 was very meaningful when it comes to Tyson's legacy, it a shame it never happened. if he won it would change that whole perception that Holy always had Mike's number no matter what, if he lost at least we would know one way or another.