Floyd Mayweather vs Ray Leonard...

that's right, my name is Elton say it loud & proud meat head

bu seriously, that's all? where's all the others? U used to have so much to say Goyourownway, but are surprisingly short on answers. I was hoping you'd have a strong case

maybe that's why u lose your temper

in reality, strong cases are made when u there are loads of evidence and seeing as how there really isnt, we can conclude that it's not often we get to see the type of slaughter we saw in Norris-srl.... and that the style of Norris decided the match and that there was no decline whatsoever in the light of Ray's wickedly brilliant domination of Duran which "set the record straight" between the two rivals

maybe had Ray's resume was filled with limited one dimensional types whose feet were anchored to the floor and whose gloves were loaded with lead weights, not exactly the type needed to prepare for Norris.

instead, all we see is a list of 1980s relics no doubt brought on by the idea that that the public yearned for remedial boxing

 

Here's the thing. Leonard didn't always fight the best fight. He was suckered into a brawl vs Duran, and was losing to Hearns until Dundee told him he was blowing it.

Leonard could miscalculate Mayweather's greater speed, accuracy, defense, and counter punching and lose too many rounds before turning into the aggressive attacker.

Leonard can win, but he has to be willing to pay the price of counters and getting hit to get Floyd on the defensive early in the match before he gets behind on the cards. Would he?

55/45 type of match, I'd make Leonard the slight favorite.

 

Walked through as in "got hit by them and handled it." Leonard wasn't exactly the type of guy that waded through punches to land one or two.

You don't think it had anything to do with Leonard being utterly shot? Because....it did.

 

That lone example is all I'd need to destroy your argument, dip****. You asked for an example, I gave you the most famous one available. The most famous upset in all of sports, a one-sided pasting and a conclusive stoppage, and even that managed to escape your notice.


But you go ahead and remind us all of how the constant 'Elton' references totally don't bother you. You never know, a few more reminders and you may actually manage to convince a few that it doesn't.

 

they dont. but u wish they would :twisted:

listen, u cant have much of a case if all u have is one example. if it were common, then we could excuse Ray but the fact is, it's a very rare case

Hell, even Pedroza fared better against Taylor than Sugar vs Norris. Sugar was completely outclassed, outsped, hurt N humbled

Sugar had never faced true speed before cuz he spent his time with repeats & one dimensional stiffs and stuck his worthless head in the sand for 5 yrs out of fear of people like Hagler, Curry, pryor, and scared shitless of Nunn's speed

Leonard was shaking like a leaf on a tree from ringside as he called the Nunn fight vs Kalambay

I def didnt expect Leonard to yell "I can BEAT MICHEAL NUNN!"

instead the punk kept his mouth shut, and called out another geezer

since youre unable to bring forth evidence we must conclude from the Norris fight that Leonard was overprotected & overyped (mostly from his fans & the press).

bottom line: if Leonard were anywhere near the fighter u say he is, he wouldve had no problem with Norris

 

why would u say Ray was shot if he wasnt?

how is Ray shot when he's unbeaten in 11 yrs?

How is Ray shot if he blanked Duran 12/12 previously and used his legs all 12 of those rounds?

U could make a case if Sugar was flatfooted, lying on the ropes but he won uno mas w no effort

the real problem here is his ineptitude caught up with him and was the result of a steady diet of relics, Don Lalondes, Dave Greens, Ayub Kalules, Kevin Howards, all cut from the same mold

and Ray leonard was used to that. he didnt have the expeience to deal with slicker, quicker, younger men. He even got hurt by Marcos Geraldo before his win oer Benitez. Now just think what wouldve happened to Ray had he faced a Hagler, a Norris, a Nunn, or even Floyd?

 

Make it triple. ur n idiot. Ignorant idiot. 1 wum ken not feic realiti.
I ken not rikol wen woz d last taim u hed e gud post. Not shur if der ever woz sach e taim.

N 2d topic: IDK , not iven shur if it wud hev bin klows. Bat if it ternd 2 not b clows , Leonard wud hev bin d winer.

Bows r frauds. Floyd's best win iz e ruined Cotto. Leonard's best win iz.. I hev 2 check boxrec 4 candid8s, bikoz , dowz wum red mai sred ebaut d fab 4 now Y .

 

Is that a for, or against?

How much more trouble is it to type that pidgin nonsense?
It really defies all logic.

 

See the problem I have with your view that Leonard was not an ATG is you making a statement like the one I've underlined.
IE. During that time he beat among others,Hearns twice , Duran twice,Benitez , Hagler and Kalule, that fact makes your stance untenable.imo.

 

its the same one his fans use on Hagler to boost Ray's standing so I turned it around to shut them up

unlike Hagler tho in his previous bout, I couldnt find problem enough with Ray, no problems with ihis legs, no shortage of reflexes, and was praised by the media which is really his undoing b/c no one can rightfully make these ludicrous claims that Leonard was shot

Shot? shot where? in which fight? did he notwin every round and come out w/o a mark in uno mas????

this means there was nothing wrong physically whatsoever. as u can see, the guy who made that claim just though i over and said to himself "oh yead, there wasnt" then kept his mouth shut, and stop using that well known echo chamber

Leonard's main problem was no experience against this type of fighter. the speed of Norris totally negated Leonard's experience soo all these reasons given by the press which gave him no chance to win (Norris has fought nobody) u can throw that out the window

yes its quite true Norris didnt have one big name on his resume but I threw that out cuz the first time leonard got belted good, I knew it would ruin him, just by what I saw in the Howard fight. Sure he's tough as long as he's dishing it out, but u put keep him honest the way Norris did, u will have him eating out of the palm of your hand and before long u will own him and that leads to dominance

i believe Ray wouldve done better staying in the game and accepting the fight with Pryor (not Hagler as no fighter at or near his weight class could compete with the 4X consecutive p4p fighter)

another attractive bout wouldve been with the then peaking Cobra Curry early-late 85 version

those fights are conspicuously missing and shouldnt be

 

You have some dumb argument Leonard would beat the **** out of Gayweather Hearns would go to jail for murdering that lil chicken****. Also prime Benitez beats Floyd, At WW Norris beats him Curry does to, at SLW and LW Pryor beats him, at LW Arguello beats him, at LW pre Rosario Camacho beats him, Pernell beats at 135, 140, and 147, Taylor and Chavez beats him to. Im sorry dude Floyd isnt as good in historical matchups as you think.....lol

 

Ray was too good in his prime. And a warrior. Floyd is not a warrior. He would fight back if he had to, but if Mosley hurt him, what would Ray do. Knock him out.

 

Floyd is better! Floyd is the BOMB and at 38 has whipped all comers with ease

Ray Leonard is no warrior, he is a chicken! ask anyone who waited five years to get a fight with him

 

Maidana just pushed his **** in tonight.

 

Oh...you mean like Pacs been waiting to fight Void for 8 years now....oh ok....lol