Quarry vs. Bugner

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  1. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As long as Quarry the counter-puncher doesn't give in to frustration, he should win on points.
     
  2. janwalshs

    janwalshs Active Member Full Member

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    I suspect this would be a snoozefest. 2 talented guys but I don't think the two of them would make for an action packed fight.

    I think Bugner could pull off a surprise win. He had the size and power to hurt Quarry and the chin and durability to last the distance. Quarry would likely win but I wouldn't bet the house on it.
     
  3. JWSoats

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    A Quarry who keeps his cool, boxing and counterpunching over the distance, should win a decision in a dull bout devoid of knockdowns. That said, although Bugner was usually bested by the top fighters, they seldom looked good in defeating him. His size, strength, and durability could be frustrating, and Quarry could get frustrated quickly and wilt if a fight did not go his way. Quarry should win, but it really depends on which Jerry Quarry shows up for a fight that is his to lose.
     
  4. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I like Quarry by decision, but don't anticipate a very exciting fight.
     
  5. Stevie G

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    Funnily enough,I did a thread on this around five years ago. It should definitely have happened circa 1973-74. It made sense for Quarry because Bugner would have been a way back into the title picture and after Joe's creditable learning experiences against Ali and Frazier,Jerry would have been the perfect fight for Bugner.


    Very much a 50/50 one. They both had a penchant for staging erratic performances.
     
  6. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Push comes to shove, i tend to lean towards Big Joe, he doesnt give Jerry much Aggression to Feed off or Counter, he is big, Mobile, has a good left Jab at best and a pesky frustrator at worst, has good stamina.....and is not afraid to nullify and win ugly,
    I think it's all wrong for Jerry, weather its a Novice Jerry being outslicked by Machen, or a prime Jerry (ok with Back Problem) being outmanauvered by Ellis, Jerry needed something to respond to and Counter, And Joe just does not cooperate, and whilst not Cooperating he is snatching points here and there, The nearest Jerry got to a Joe Bugner was his fight with Larry Middleton , and Jerry was able to squeak a decision with some late pressure, although Middleton beat a WIP young Bugner, A prime Joe was much better, As is sometimes the case in the wild The Scavenger beats the Predator here i think. Just through Styles. (Perhaps a Larry Donald could achieve same ?)
     
  7. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Some very good points. Maybe you're right, but many people had similar thoughts prior to Quarry vs. Mathis. The Ellis fight would be an excellent reference point if there wasn't a question about Quarry's back. Jerry needed better people in his corner. Slugging with Frazier and Chuvalo, and boxing Ellis were big mistakes. When Jerry was on top of his game, though, he was really good. Like someone said, it depends on which Quarry shows up, and yes, Bugner would present many difficulties for Jerry to overcome.
     
  8. Stevie G

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    Joe and Jerry,for a while,were the bridge between Ali,Frazier,Foreman,Norton and the rest.
     
  9. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Foreman admitted that he ducked Quarry. Jerry got the better of him in a sparring session way back when and stylistically Jerry would have had a chance against George. Norton beat a shot Quarry, even though they were the same age. Jerry aged prematurely. I'd pick a prime Quarry over Norton. Ali and Frazier, though, we're different. Quarry was not going to beat either of them.
     
  10. Stevie G

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    I can't see Quarry beating Foreman. As soon as George forces Jerry to brawl,there would only be one outcome.

    I still envisage Norton beating Quarry in a prime for prime scenario,albeit having a harder time doing it. Ken's style was all wrong for him. And too strong.
     
  11. Bummy Davis

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    Quarry beat Lyle,Shavers and Foster and would beat big Joe who may has the ability to survive but not the speed or power to win
     
  12. Bummy Davis

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    I disagree Quarry's good chin could neutralize a puncher and Quarry could hit harder than Lyle who almost had Foreman out a few times. Quarry would be a tough opponent style for Big George in career 1 and Quarry would squeeze the gas out of George quickly. Foreman could cut Jerry or knock him out but the odds are against this...Quarry had the blueprint how to beat the Big Slow guys, throw in a stamina challenged George and Jerry has a plan to win.....Big George 1 was beatable but a solid chin would be required
     
  13. jowcol

    jowcol Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I love Jerry but this 'Foreman ducked him' nonsense is crap. Don't put any creedence into what an old George says. Prime 73-74 George would have him reeling. Outside of the Shavers 'anamoly' show me a TOP contender Quarry KO'd? No Mac Foster or Thad Spencer crap please!
    I do agree a prime Norton-Quarry would have been interesting but did Jerry 'clock' hard enough to take out Ken? Who knows?
     
  14. mcvey

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    Bugner did not have top end power.
    Quarry beat a prime Mac Foster.

    Quarry takes a decision here.
     
  15. Bummy Davis

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    Quarry beat some good big guys and punchers. I was ringside when Jerry beat undefeated Ron Lyle and Quarry shook up Lyle in about the 5th round and put Lyle on the defensive and kept Ron honest the rest of the night. If Ron had fought more aggressive Jerry would have taken him out. Jerry had his flaws and mental issues but I would give him a good chance to upset Foreman in fact I would wager on the underdog if the odds were good and I was a big fan of Foreman