The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

thread title should be how many years has floyd been making you cry and *****

 

you're right.

http://www.nowboxing.com/2009/12/20...uiao-refuses-to-take-blood-before-fight/6191/

thank you. i might make this thread a compilation of counter-arguments.

because floyd always said what we say are his excuses, and the only things we've heard from manny is that he hates blood being drawn from him. when did ellerbe say what comes out of floyd's mouth huh? it's always been floyd who says the things he says, not ellerbe, not his bodyguards, not 50 cent, HIM.

don't blame manny for what arum said. pac doesn't even have the money to build a stadium and i'm sure he'd fight floyd on short notice even with a minor cut, not a major one.

this putting words in manny's mouth has gone on for too long. stop claiming things that manny did not say.

 

Fantastic.. Here's the answer then...

 

he walked away from the fight after the blood draw clause was modified to a 14 day cutoff. face it when freddy roach says pac sabotaged the negotiations and walked away from the fight what do you expect people to believe? res ipsa loquitur.

 

Floyd never denied the second negotiations occurred, but merely stated Pacquiao and Top Rank continued to refuse his reasonable drug testing request. Yet Ellerbe and Golden Boy denying the existence of such negotiations at all was used to drag Floyd's poor innocent name through the mud. When the people who you choose to represent you speak BS, be prepared for that BS to be taken as representative of you.

 

and 50 cent said floyd was having nightmares of pacquiao which is why he removed himself from the money team. res ipsa loquitur like you say, right? :roll:

look up at my link. manny never wanted blood tests in the first place and may used it to his advantage:

i'll take manny's word over roach's.

 

so because you feel that ellerbe and golden boy said some **** about floyd, it has to apply to manny too with arum? are you kidding me? there's a million mile difference.

floyd is his own boss. whatever he says should go. manny's boss is bob arum. whatever arum says, manny has no control over it.

very big difference.

and besides, manny is on record for saying that he will fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoIzOEClv9s

on national tv even. every past argument should be invalidated already. manny has issued his case and floyd should respond IN KIND.

 

since you are jumping around from thread to thread, i will just cut and paste my reply to you from the other thread.



"ariza's word cannot be trusted" double standard much. ariza cannot be trusted but 50 cent, who not only tried to pry mayweather from al heyman and ellerbie can? not only did he try to break up floyds team he started a rival boxing promotion. yes, there is no motive behind 50 cent going on live tv, promoting his company and throwing a rival under the bus. but let's go about it your way. let's throw ariza's statement out the window. where does that leave us? let's go with facts.

let's flashback to 2009 you can easily find all these facts online.

nov 09 golden boy begins negotiations on behalf of floyd or the fight. on a 60/40 split for floyd

dec 09 top rank wants 10 mil dollar penalty for every pound floyd comes over. and a 50/50 split.

dec 09 floyd agrees to all terms and counters with random blood test.

dec 09 pac rejects the terms, this is the now arum infamous pac is afraid of needles line ( at this point random blood test is up until fight day)

jan 10 pac changes tune and says he cannot have blood drawn all the way up to the fight because he is weakened by the blood draw

jan 10 golden boy modifies contract, all the terms are the same but there is an adjusted time period for the blood draw to accommodate pac. now the blood draw cannot be taken two weeks before the fight.

jan 2010 pac walks away from the negotiations (there is video of freddy roach that recently came to light where he says they were to blame for this)

so to recap. all the terms were agreed to. the blood draw was modified to help pac claim about being weakened. and pac still walked away from the fight. these are the facts. there is only one conclusion here. and that is pac walked away from the fight. he refused to sign on for the fight due to the blood test.


and since you are so incline to hear stuff coming from mannys mouth.


here is him claiming how the blood draw 14 days before the cutoff weakens him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGIlx62h1OM

 

Manny continues to re-sign with Arum every year and never publicly goes against him. If that doesn't indicate tacit and continued approval, then I'm not sure what does.

 

listen: read up on interviews post morales-Pac 1. in real life, it'd be frustrating to negotiate a fight with someone who keeps coming up with road blocks everytime.

parang tanga lang.

 

why are you guys still begging for a Floyd vs Manny fight? Manny refused the 40 million dollar offer, now he will not even get close to that, so why keep talking about it. Floyd clearly said Bob still owes him money and that he wants nothing to do with Bob. Is that so hard to understand people? Go tell manny to leave Bob so maybe Floyd can entertin that fight but until then move on cause Floyd did.

 

I really want to laugh at this counter that you made up but because I want to appear legit I'll reply in kind.

Pacquiao walked away from the negotiations because:

• He believes that he will be weakened by the blood test as evidenced from this interview. This link can also be seen in my first post. This is the crux of the argument. Pacquiao did not believe in blood testing at first.

That is the whole thing right there. There is a basis as to why Manny walked out of the whole thing. If you didn't look the link up, here's what he said:

Do you know what the keywords there are? Random blood testing. Manny didn't like it. It was his fault true, what Roach is saying is also true, but we cannot deny that at that point in time, Floyd Mayweather was already fishing for an out of the ring advantage.

Manny was right to walk out of the fight at the time. Same thing happened with Maidana, except this time it was too late to back out so he had to wear gloves uncomfortable to him.

By the way, Manny has gone on national tv to say that his lines are open, 24/7.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoIzOEClv9s

The ball is and has been in Floyd's court for a long time now. Manny has also agreed to all blood tests and stipulations. He even said to fight for charity if Floyd wanted it.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ing-mayweather-wants-to-secure-his-next-fight

http://www.examiner.com/article/manny-pacquiao-agrees-to-blood-tests-video

You and your arguments have no leg to stand on.

 

I just cant defend Floyd . its quite possibly the biggest duck ever seen in history of sports

 

the only road block was the blood draw, every other issue that was brought up during negotiations. the 50/50 split, the 10 million per pound penalty all were discussed and agreed on except for one, and that one was the blood draw, concessions were made to accommodate pac and he still refused. if you want to post videos and give references as to why pac walked away from the negotiations, then that is all fine and dandy. however, that will not change history, it will not change what happened it will only try to justify what pac did. and what pac did was walk away from the fight that was missing only one signature on the contract. that signature was pacs.

 

and? so the guy wants to be hoodwinked. idc. i'm just saying, the stadium and cut arguments have been beaten to death multiple times, arum was the one who said it not manny, and recently manny has been on record saying that he wants the fight now and will take any and every stipulation floyd has to offer.

i don't see why people keep on defending floyd, there's no reason to when he's the one setting roadblocks to the fight.