Marciano vs Foreman... What Can The Rock Do?

Oscar was not a power puncher, neither did he beat the type of opponent that would be poison for Rocky, a big rangy top end puncher .

 

You sensibly capped SLOW, that's why Marciano has very little chance ,slow afoot,slow of hand.

 

Wow. He dominated the division? I must have been asleep during the 70's.

 

Exceptional fighters can be an exception to the rule. When did Foreman dominate the division?

Where are the 224lb 6'3 slow punching sub 80" reach heavyweights? I tell you where they are, they must have went to the same place where all the 5'9" middleweight went to. "Modern training"made them bigger or smaller than mother nature wanted them to be.

Foreman at his best was maybe 6lb heavier than the 1951 version of Joe Louis. People want to believe old Louis was a shell but he had only declined to a still capable level of a ray mercer or Ron Lyle. Size alone won't be enough in itself. Foreman is going to need to be a lot less reckless than he was against Muhammad Ali and so easy to hit as was against Ted Gullick and Ron Lyle.

 

Fifty one Louis was getting by with the remnants of his jab he wasnt koing opponents.I pick Mercer and Lyle to beat that shadow of the Brown Bomber. Marciano fans want to believe otherwise.

 

All of those guys might beat Rocky.

But Foreman is the only one that I would feel completely confident betting on to do it.

 

How is the stumpy short armed little Marciano going to come " crashing " in against Foreman? That would be suicide. George would just shove him back into a position where he could punch and Marciano couldn't.

Anyone who thinks Foreman couldn't push Marciano around like a rag doll, is either delusional, or on drugs.

 

It was made in jest my friend.

 

I seen Lyle fight and met him in the dressing room before he fought Quarry in the Garden imposing guy but a close look at his record and punching power makes me wonder. When Lyle moved up in class his power did not show up

SD 19-12 Wendell Newton, Newton was KO'd by Bonavena,Leotis Martin, Franco De Piccolo but lost a SD to Lyle,

W10 Lou Bailey 18-44-5 Bailey was Ko'd by Shavers,Rodney Bobick,Tony Doyle,James Beatie,Doug Jones,Robert Davila,Sonny Banks,Floyd Joiner L10 Lyle

D10,W10 Peralta, Peralta was tough but no show of power from Lyle

SD Joe Bugner

MD Stan Ward, Ward was KO'd by Weaver,Page,Coetzee,Larry Alexander

SD Scott Ledoux, It was Scott who dropped Lyle in this one

W10 32-31 Bob Stallings (Stalling Ko'd by many)

W10 Jimmy Ellis, Ellis was shot was Ko'd by Shavers in 1 the year before and Ko'd by Frazier after the Lyle fight

I think Lyle was imposing and was a strong guy but struggled with guys that were often Ko'd , He was a big guy but his power did not show up as he moved up in class. He had a attrition victory over Shavers but Earnie was losing those stamina fights at the time and Lyle looked powerful vs Foreman but Foreman did not fight many punchers and Big George was easy to hit but did not fight many punchers at that point in time.

I can not see the KO's that prove he was a elite puncher of any means

by the way all of the opponents said Marciano was a tremendous puncher, Moore said he hurt you when he brushed up against you and even if they did not the proof is in the pudding, they all got blasted out by Marciano and beaten very Badly, Walcott out cold with one shot,Moore battered and dominated and Charles brutally beaten...I would be hard pressed to think of any of them getting battered like that before facing Marciano, Rocky ruined them all and even though Archie had a 38-4-2 career after Marciano he was never the same at heavyweight

 

Foreman is a horrible match up for Marciano

 

It's astonishing the level of rank beginner , transparent , pathetic arguments a handful make up to build up Marciano. They actually believe if they continue to make the same faulty arguments time and again anyone other than themselves might agree. This page 16 alone is truly transparent. One guy is trying to build up the shot version of Louis, who was on the define since WW2 as a serious opponent to define all time greatness by and another is trying to deny punching power of a fighter two top fighters openly rated as the hardest they ever faced .. one of these guys has never picked a black fighter over a white fighter in any post I have ever read of his and I've had the "pleasure" of reading dozens .. it's sad.

 

call in Al Sharpton why don't you, how touchy you get if someone should pick the white guy

 

I think it's 50-50.
Who were Lyle and Mercer knocking out at world level? One rated guy each. Same as 51 Louis. Louis was still knocking out and decking tough opponents like savold and agramante.

 

Of course Foreman is stronger. He can push marciano to some extent but prime George is also so wide open and reckless that I can't rule out Rocky knocking his block off. Nobody missed George with a right hand. Frazier did not have a right hand. Rockys Suzie Q was a right hand though.

Is it so rediculous to say that when two punchers meet it can come down to which one is easier to hit and which one has the better stamina?

I think it's a bit desperate to rely on foul tactics like pushing a guy into position. How easily a man can get pushed back has a lot to do with how wide or square his stance is. Joe Frazier was quite square. Marciano was not, he was always almost completely side on when not in range. I think George is technically too unsophisticated not to smother his own work and get frustrated and crowded inside.

It is not a cake walk for either man. This would be a tough grinding fight that could come down to experience, stamina and defence.

 

Marciano gets destroyed in 5 minutes. Brutal mismatch. Brutal KO.