Marciano vs Foreman... What Can The Rock Do?

Pretty much how I see it. I am not saying the training methods back then were superior. The training programme back then was certainly more uniform and sport specific. Same methods followed by men of all shapes and sizes. Cream rose to the top and the rest crashed and burned. There are people in the sport now who would not have been in it then because of these advances.

Today training is more tailored to the individual so physically they are getting more physicall potential but we are not seeing if this is as technically beneficial as in other sports. The old methods were designed around crucial factors not around now like size of gloves, having to fight so often and duration of fights.

Bowe, Lewis and the kilts would always rise to the top since they are exceptions. But they would have to train like the fighters did then to be competative. They would adapt to meet the standard of the time. They would be lighter. it's not necessarily better just different.

If you slow down a division the slower men have more chance. Older men have more chance. If you slowed down the division in the early 1930s Jack Johnson might have still been relevant.

 

I just love how," everyone hit Foreman with right hands ,"

Was Marciano defensively elusive?
Take a look below.atsch

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but Everyone DID hit Foreman with right hands.

marciano was so much harder to hit clean than Foreman. Sometimes that can be the difference between two good punchers.

 

Did you look at the picture that I provided of a wide open Marciano ?
Foreman was not a good puncher he is considered one of the consensus best 3 of all time and many rate him the best.

 

Yes I saw that picture but I found a better one.

http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/0/06/Foreman-Kirkman.jpg

 

remember Moore was light heavyweight Champ he fought the # 1 heavyweight Valdes and Baker and Beat Valdes 2X and he KO'd the highly regarded # 1-2 ranked Baker and Charles KO'd 6"3 Coley Wallace...my point is the big guys were not successful in that era

Also Archie KO'd Burt Whitehurst 2X in the same time frame the Burt went the distance with Sonny Liston 2X. I dont think there is any doubt Archie could whack (he holds the record for most KO's ever) but he was beating the best quality guys and did in fact stop Harold Johnson who was also beating some big boys back then

My post was to counter your remark that Archie said his legs were gone, I dont think he was the same at heavyweight after losing to Marciano but He still stopped a 6"3 and 6"4 heavyweight after the Marciano beating

 

Thats a left hook I beleive , not a right hand, landing on a 20 years old Foreman ,thrown by a 22-0-1 KIrkman who was taken out in the second round.
The picture I provided was of the world champion missing a 42 years old Lhvy by a mile and leaving himself totally open to a right hand.

 

If you can't bring yourself to admit you said that ,[and Im quoting directly here ."He KO'd a bunch of huge heavyweights in this time frame" [ post 322 page 23 of this thread ],Its ok with me, just dont expect any credibility from me in future.
Your'e just obfuscating and waffling.
BOTTOM LINE
I proved you wrong ,but you're not man enough to admit it.

 

and this is how I answered you, I think my answer was pretty good see below

Bob Baker 6"2 210, Embrell Davidson 6"2 210, Alberto Lovell 6'3, Abel Cestac 6"4, Clarance Henry 6"1.5 and he even Ko'd a few Big guys after Marciano, Alejandro Laverente 6"4 and James J. Parker 6"3

 

They are not telegraphed punches, they are looping punches which are awkward to evade and if they land they hurt the fighter.

This is why Tyson never wanted to fight him, the elusive peek-a-boo style wouldn't work 100% against Foreman's punches.

 

Lovell was 39 years old.Henry was NOT kod Moore beat him on points thats three times I've said it. The only huge heavyweight,[ if you call 209lbs huge ]was Baker and he was stopped on his feet by the referee. Davidson was a nobody as was Cestac.Lovell was under 200lbs.

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No point in continuing this

 

The Ed Dunkhorst Argument may be supplanted with the Abel Cestac Argument.

This **** is just getting embarrassing.

 

BD made a statement in print ,I proved it was bollocks in three replies he has yet to admit it.

What's the point of debating with people like that?

 

The point is if kirkman can land flush so can Rocky. Look at Georges feet in that picture. Look how close to the ropes he is. Talk about getting caught square! Luckily for George boone was already hurt at that point and there wasn't full steam on the shot. It is a clean shot.

Marciano in that picture looked terrible. He always did when he missed, I don't know if he was just lucky but it always seemed like he threw himself out of punching distance when he missed like that. Even in that picture, although Rocky is open he looks feet closer to the camera than Archie is. Either that or Rocky was 6'6". The opening provided is proberbly only the back of Rockys head.

 

Look at Foreman record when he went up in class, a tough battle with Peralta then he stopped Peralta on his feet (quick stop IMO) Kirkman was stopped before Foreman by little Doug Jones and Chuvalo was stopped on his feet. Lovell was 6"3 and Cestac was 6"4 Baker was 6'2 and Moore beat the class of the 2 divisions, pretty impressive for a guy with no legs as you described him.

and your right no point in continuing this