Marciano vs Foreman... What Can The Rock Do?

Alejandro Lavorante? Rated #4 in 1961. 6'4" 210lb. Promoter George parnassus offered Floyd Patterson $500,000 to fight lavorante after he knocked out Foley but Patterson wanted one million dollars. Archie Moore knocked him out. He left the ring on a stretcher. Nobody had even decked Lavorante before, both of his losses were disputed.
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I didn't describe Moore as having no legs, he himself said that, it's in an interview he gave to Pete Heller for his book," In This Corner."
If you've a problem with it blame Archie Moore not me.
Parting shot, Foreman was the only heavyweight to ever stop Peralta. Peralta was stopped just 3 times in 119 fights and one of them was on cuts.

 

The problem with this is it is 7 years outside the timescale Bummy Davis gave.

Therefore it is not relevant to the argument. And my point still stands.

ps Lavorante was 6' 3.5"
nb Lavorante's loss to Roy Harris was by unanimous decision ,
95-99. 92-100 . 90-99 .nothing disputed about it

 

I saw the 2nd fight it was BS stoppage IMO, Peralta against the ropes, not down,never down vs George it was a gift for George

 

Your "account" doesn't jive with this.


"Peralta suffered a cut over his left eye in the third round.
Foreman staggered Peralta with two left hooks in the seventh round.
Foreman never dropped Peralta to the canvas, but referee Elmer Costa gave him an eight-count after he lay helplessly against the ropes late in the tenth round. After Foreman blasted Peralta into the ropes again, Costa stopped the fight. "


Result stands Foreman the only heavyweight to stop him.
By the way Wikipaedia states Peralta was rated no 9 when George beat him the first time.

 

my account doesn't jive with you you tricky old guy. I saw the fight in a movie theater in a pay per view event back then and I remember the boos when the fight was stopped, George was swing wider and slower, too bad Peralta could not crack an egg. Chuvalo also said he felt his fight was stopped too quick (I disagree) but in retrospect the Young Foreman did gas and Chuvalo was standing...maybe Chuvalo was doing his version of the rope a dope

by the way Wikipedia is not so boxing accurate

 

Bummy did not specifiy quality, age, whateever criteria you wish to throw in..etc. His claim was that Moore KOed a bunch of huge heavies leading up to Maricano, which he did.

Davidson was a journeyman but he KOed the tricky Marshall twice who would go on to beat Satterfield and the upstart Liston, KOed future contender John Holman, as well as beat the tough Whitehurst and Toxie Hall. Not as irrelevant a fighter you wish to make him out to be. Moore overcame a 30 pound advantage to knock him out cold with one punch.

 

:hi:

I've only used Box rec for a report of the fight. I imagine we would both agree they have no agenda on this subject?

I've heard plenty of unjustified boos and protests in my time.I was ringside when Hagler beat Minter and still remember the shower of bottles that followed the result.
I could check in the Ring for Peralta's rating but, as I've explained to somebody else, my magazines are in storage until the decorating is finished.

Chuvalo would think any of his stoppage loses were stopped too quickatsch It's precisely because they were stopped at the appropriate time he is so lucidly entertaining and comprehensible today.

Couldn't crack an egg? 60 stoppages in 98 wins:good

 

Peralta was not puncher at heavyweight,Chuvalo was a punching bag already stopped by Frazier but we are talking about the best Foreman fought until he won a title and had a mandatory defense against Norton who was smashed by every puncher he fought from Garcia, to Shavers to Cooney and even dropped 2x and lucky to survive LeDoux

 

- Peralta was vastly more experienced than George Foreman who had only umpteen fights when they met

- Chuvalo was aging at the time of his meeting with Foreman, but he had won 12 of his last 13 fights including a win over Jerry Quarry and would continue to linger around for sometime after. He retired only having been stopped twice in nearly 100 fights and was never floored

- Norton's KO losses to Shavers and Cooney along with his lackluster performance with Ledoux shouldn't be factored into any equation. He was shot to the point of being virtually useless by that point, and Cooney and Shavers fall into the category of the division's elite hitters of all time. The Garcia loss was also stamina related as much as it was chin. And norton was green.

 

I would hope we could agree that by the Cooney,and LeDoux fights Norton was past it. Peralta stopped 20 heavyweights , not too shabby. He probably hit as hard as Gene Tunney. How many Light heavies did Moore stop in his run up to Marciano? Not that many, does this mean he wasnt a puncher at the lower weight?

 

-He didn't fight that many. The highly skilled Maxim and Johnson multiple times in a loop. He did stop Johnson eventually.

-In the 40s however he did KO Morrow, Billy Smith, Doc Williams, Marshall, and Holman Williams. He no doubt was a puncher at both HW and LHW.

 

He said," a bunch of huge heavyweights". In the 4 years before he fought Marciano he fought 7 men at 210lbs,[ three were just under but let's say 210].

Would you agree that below 210lbs is not a huge heavyweight?

Moore stopped 3 of them. Baker was tko'd on his feet the other 2 were sparked.Both were ham and eggers.

Davidson did beat Hall who was never more than sparring partner level at the time Hall was 7-2-2,and it was a split decision.
A year later Hall ko'd him.
Holman had won 3 of his last 8 fights, and would win just 11 of his next 21.
Marshall was 8-2-2 it would be another 2 years before he beat a 7 fight Liston who fought with a broken jaw and Marshall won a split decision. Scatching ,Straws come to mind.

To bolster Davidson's credentials you would either have to inflate the reps of those he beat, or invent victims he never met.You have chosen the former option.

 

Didn't fight that many? In the 4 years before he met Marciano half of his 30 fights were against lhvy's , well one of them was against a middleweight but I'm feeling charitable.


We aren't talking about the 40's we are talking about his run up to Marciano.

Please stop trying to move the goal posts.

 

-How does one define a bunch? 7 seems reasonable, especially if you were going by 4 years.

-At a time when the average was sub 200 lbs, yes.

-Getting TKOed while by all accounts out on your feet, counts as a demonstration of power.

-No, I'm not inflating anything but you are certainly trying to sweep as much as you can under the rug. I'm not making Davidson out to be a world beater, just a journeyman with his share of decent wins, which he was.