Who could have beaten a prime Roy Jones Jr?

This goes for many of the fighters who Jones "ducked". He beat guys who beat basically all of them.

He destroyed Malinga who had a win over Benn (and a tough fight against Eubank)

He dominated Reggie Johnson who beat Collins

He dominated Gonzalez who beat DM.

He took Hill out early who had wins over Tiozzo and Maske.

 

There is more to a fight than stats.. If not, then we would all just look at boxrec to decide who is a better fighter. Did you watch those fights?

 

Really, you're going to include Jones "loss" to Griffen??

 

It was a close fight before the DQ. Its an official loss. There is controversy regarding DM's loss to Gonzales as well and you counted it. DM at 35 was also at the same age Roy was when Tarver knocked him out if you really want to go down that road.

 

It makes me wonder if he watched the fights.

Sure on paper DM may be just as "successful" against common opposition.. But if you actually look at what went on in those fights, you would see it was Jones who clearly did better..

For one, Jones' loss Griffin took a dive. Roy knocked his block off with a lead uppercut in the rematch.. DM later had a questionable stoppage while struggling with Griffin for 4 rounds.

Virgil Hill went the distance with DM, Jones later broke his ribs with a body shot.

Hall gave DM hell, Roy made it look easy.

Roy wiped the floor with Gonzalez, Gonzalez beat DM..

 

-Than there is nothing incorrect about my statement.

 

What does this have to do with my statment? I said he was just as successful against common opponents and you can't refute it. If you want to argue he was more spectacular or prettier, go for it.

 

-I stand by my opinion of Hopkins.

-Not in contrast to Hagler. Who has the better and more devestating KOs at middleweight.

-atsch You try to trash talk me than come up with the gem. Before Super Middle, LHW was 160-174. There was never 160+ lb Middles. Now I ask you, do even watch the fights or just drink kool aid at Jonestown?

 

This Mind Reader is a Jonestown Kool Aid drinker.

Trying to talk down to me and doesn't even know what the historic divisons were. If Jones isn't making 160 in the olden days, he wouldn't be allowed to fight at middle, his ass is getting thrown to the LHW dogs with guys like Bivins who would come in with a 20+ Lb advantage at fight time. Or a monster like Charles who at 174 was KOing durable 200 pounders.

 

Says who??

What makes DM some monster?

Hopkins at 160 was a better p4p fighter than DM

Toney at 168 was a better p4p fighter than DM

He went up and beat a guy who had 30 lbs on him. Forget p4p Ruiz was simply a way better victory than DM wiould have been

What exactly makes DM something special?

 

Please. Let's not act like Ruiz was some world class fighter.

 

He beat Hill who was great but not a puncher, and he beat some other good fighters like Griffin, Tarver, and Hall. But he was not tested in the way the classic LHWs were.

Far more active great, experienced fighters who were willing to make the fights and as I pointed out, the HW/LHW limit was not enforced. 160-175 men usually were forced to mixed it up with 180-220 lbers, and fighters like Bivins were free to come in well over the limit as long as the LHW title wasn't on the line.

I don't think there is any doubt DM offered the greatest challenge to Jones in his LWH heyday, he was after all the lineal Champion of the divison, and the fight of course didn't happen.

 

Hagler did not have Jones' speed and power combination fact!

Who the hell said there were 160+ middles in the old days you baffoon?atsch

Obviously with no 168, Jones would of had to cut down to MW or be a LHW..