Who could have beaten a prime Roy Jones Jr?

I don't like Hearns's chances. He was definitely better at 147-154, I think he gets KO'd by RJJ at 168.

In terms of weight, I think it's fair to match RJJ at 168 with LHWs who weighed in on the day of the fight. RJJ wasn't a huge weight-cutter like a McClellan or Castillo, but probably the same weight as LHWs of the past like Foster and Spinks on the day of the fight.

I would make Jones a live underdog, but an underdog nonetheless, against Foster & Spinks.

Qawi would give Jones a tough fight, but I think Jones wins a decision.

 

Good post. Qawi would be intersting, he was a real bull but Jones may have too much movement.

 

mcclellan, benn, calzaghe and hopkins from 2002. roy never fought anyone with power or a great swarmer. roy looked great against james toney because james toney fought roy's fight and threw single shots for 12 rounds straight - toney was a defensive fighter. hopkins was green when roy beat him and the rest of roy's resume are nobodies. 90% of the guys in that highlight reel are delivering pizzas now.

 

So, why then did yoiu name Greb?
You've never seen him fight.

Langford? Seen enough of him to make a judgement.

What should I watch of Bivens to make a judgement? How many of his fights are around?

Apparently 8 mins worth of footage is enough to tell you how good a fighter is.

My point is simple, you CANNOT state with any degree of certainty that a certain fighter would beat another when at best you've seen a few minutes of one of his fights.

Thats what Ive been trying to get at.

 

Which one of those guys had more power than John Ruiz?

Hopkins was older, and had more professional fights than Jones.

Hill
Woods
Gonzalez
Griffen
Reggie Johnson
Ruiz
McCallum
Tarver

were nobodies?

Even Castro, Otis Grant, Eric Lucas all held world titles...

 

-I've covered this with Greb. Langford has alot of footage, Bivins is limited but its there. Footage is also not the only informatoin we are depended on for these men. The reports than were very detailed. There is also lots available of the men he beat.

-8 minutes is apparently too much for you because you can't even comment on that. Thank god the other 3 minutes of the fight weren't filmed. You would be at a loss. The Mills footage is an excellent showcase for Marshall, despite being 33, we see some power, speed, reflexes, and unorthdox skill oddly comparable to Jones.

-But you are doing just that.

And frankly I think Jones could have beaten any of the fighters you named in his prime...even though most of his years at 175 were spent there over the age of 30.

 

Like I already said, I saw nothing in that 8 mins to make me think the guy would beat Jones.

I dont see him as being comparable, I didnt see any 3 hooks in a row or double digit punch combinations. Jones was a freak who literally did things in the ring that no one else in history could do.

Plenty of much lesser fighters than Jones beat him, and dont give me the "they're after the age of 30"

In that case, Jones never lost.

 

'The Mongoose'
Jeez you REALLY believe Jones wouldn't school ALL of these old geezers?
These guys had primitive skills compared to Jones, get real.

Take off your rose tinted glasses,.

God your so naive.

 

All of them had better technical skills than Jones, who relied on his athleticism.

 

Bollocks!

Jones's arsenal was unreal, he chose to fight the way he did because HE COULD.
Jab, straight right, hook off of the jab, uppercut, triple hooks, defence were ALL a thing of beauty.


Go back to school son.

 

-I see no reason to believe you even watched the footage.

-Your brought this up before and my response still stands:

lesser men than Marshall would get to Jones if he was fighting monthly or more into his late 30s in an era without strict weight regulations

In 1944 alone, Marshall faced LaMotta. Holmanx2, Maxim, Kahut, J. Carter, Nate Bolden, Bob Garner. That is 3 futureHall of Famers and 4 top rated contenders in 12 months. Maxim was a HW who came in with over a 20 lb advantage. Lets see Jones against such a gauntlet, would he maybe pick up the odd loss, absolutely.

 

"future hall of FARMERS" you mean.

Jones was on differant planet, shame you can't grasp this.

 

If they were so good, why did Jones get knocked out as soon as his reflexes faded?

 

I am at work and have to skim fast..I saw a good double left hook, I didn't see a triple though. Still it wasn't even on the same plane as the kind of speed Jones possesed with much clearer video evidence. Also, look at the 1:00 mark, Marshall has his hands completely down, and telegraphs that right hand.. Jones made people pay dearly for mistakes like that.

I am pretty sure Jones threw some 8 punch combos at James Toney and got pretty damn cute with him, unless you don't consider James dangerous I would say that qualifies.

As for size difference, maybe it is the poor video quality, but I don't see any visible size difference like say Jones vs. Ruiz.

He seems sloppy to me, when compared to the slick fighters we have seen since.. Maybe he was slick for that era, not the current one though. When picking someone to beat Jones, I think of someone technically sound, I don't think anyone can beat a peak Roy at his own game.. Toney was a defensive wizard and got dropped for holding his hands down for a split second. Jones seems more alert and with sharper reflexes than Marshall in that clip.

It is hard to say who is right or wrong, but in my opinion, this clip isn't comparable to Roy Jones... Dig up film of Marshall that comes remotely close to the one-two Roy put Reggie Johnson down with... Until then, I will have to say we have much more video evidence and that Roy's physical abilities are much more proven.

 

What about Gene Tunney or Ezzard Charles?