Who Was Greater Sanchez Or Pedroza?

BTW, I had LaPorte winning over Nelson.
Nelson was not e gr8 faiter, nider woz Gomez (wum iz d onli faiter wich i ever so biting LaPorte).
LaPorte & Sanchez wer, end I hev bows of dem rankt over Pedroza.

If Pedroza woz robd vs Chavez & Nelson end dizervd e draw vs Sanchez, den hi wud stil b renkt bilow Sanchez dyu 2 hiz stopej loses. Bat hi onli fot LaPorte end e past hiz praim Lujan. No Arguello, no Nelson, no Sanchez, not iven Danny Lopez & Wilfredo Gomez. Pedroza stird klir from dem ol.

 

Laporte almost turned Nelson into jello. Had he just let his hands go more...

 

Watched them both, Ill take Sanchez, he was a lot tougher than his physical appearance would lead you to believe , good timing, natural in there enjoyed watching him fight.

 

Hamed is being shiitted on too much on this thread.

He was a furious puncher, pound for pound the biggest puncher Manny Steward ever trained (give Manny his props as a good source to make a call like that). It's highly plausible to say Hamed would KO Pedroza, who although was a tough guy, didn't exactly have a great chin (although Hamed wouldn't outbox Pedroza).

Hamed (my favourite fighter of all time) has no chance against Sanchez. Sanchez is actually a good finisher too especially in the late rounds and I even think a Sanchez KO is plausible.

Don't diss Hamed though, he clowned good opponents. There's no point in downplaying them.
Kelley was a difficult fight but Kelley was a legit champion, Bungu was very good.

Hamed is an ATG featherweight but is treated as the fighter who got 'exposed'. Exposed by an ATG in Barrera who happens to have beaten a past prime Hamed who was hand problem prone, no-more-love for the sport, very weight drained fighter by the weigh in of the fight, who no longer had his trainer who understood him more than anyone. Sure they're excuses but they are legit as you add a sum of the parts to make a whole.
It's like saying a 118lb Rigondeaux 'exposed' a 118lb Donaire, and just taking a shiit on Donaire because of that (I'm saying it hypothetically, and saying 118lbs 1. because Donaire was a beast at that weight - this is just to emphasise that Hamed was a beast in his weight. 2. I'm not considering weight cutting, I'm just making a point).

Hamed is in ATG matchups today and we say he'd even beat some of them. Give him his props.

 

Then why were you addressing Hamed points, dumbazz?

Sanchez has always been regarded as > Pedroza. Pedroza's opposition is not actually too special, I'm not saying Sanchez's opposition is 'special' either, but it is very good.

Sanchez never over-exerted himself, he was cool, calm and collected and just did what he had to do to conserve his energy yet be ahead in fights, and it will contribute to his ability to finish the fight like no other in the later rounds. This is a very important subtle point I'm making here. People forget subtle points like this when they say things like 'a green Nelson was able to do well'.
..And guess what?
People are forgetting that Sanchez was 22 years old when he had his last fight against Nelson. He wasn't 28, he still hadn't reached his potential yet.
Sanchez beats a prime Nelson.

He had no soul, he was not intimidated by Gomez whatsoever.

Not only does Sanchez box better, but he deals with punchers better too. i.e Gomez and Danny Lopez. Pedroza was knocked down twice by Zamora before getting KO'd.

 

Naseem Hamed is one of the most polarizing fighters I've ever seen.His absolutely classless antics bring out the worst in his detractors(myself included)or the worst of his fans.Now let's address what you wrote in a proper,truthful manner.1st off, Hamed got shitted on when he was on the go because he had no class whatsoever and bullied,as well as purposely embarassed,a bunch of fighters that NONE of WHICH could be classified as anything better than pretty good at best when he fought them.He gets shitted on now because his fans big up his opposition in order to make him out better than he actually was.You claim he would have kod Pedroza because he was a furious puncher.Ok,but when Pedroza was kod earlier in his career,it was before he grew into featherweight as he wasn't kod at feather despite fighting better opposition than Hamed did at that weight.Are you denying that?Kevin Kelley is a gentleman and was a good champion back in the day.But in the 2 1/2 years proceeding the Hamed fight,he was stopped by Alejandro Gonzalez(was he a great featherweight?well he must have been because he STOPPED closer to prime Kevin YEARS BEFORE HAMED DID,lol)and drew with Tommy Parks and Clarence Adams,2 more very good feathers also,right,lol.Bungu?Hmmmmm.In 2 of the 3 fights he had-at 122-just before he fought Hamed,he won a split decision and a majority decision over those household names Danny Romero and Ernie Gray,so I guess that proves that he was a world class feather also,lol.You wrote Hamed is an atg feather,based on what I've no idea because he never beat anything resembling a VERY GOOD featherweight EVER in his career.And then you made excuses for his loss to Barrera.But,hey,you admitted he's your favorite fighter ever,so It all makes sense.Cheers.Btw,there is not one atg feather that Hamed beats.None

 

Oh dear, oh dear.

'Most polarising' - followed by your next statement. Passive aggressive, much? There was no malice behind his statements, only socially ******ed people got butthurt over it. It's called banter and I do that with my friends all the time (if you know who I am on another boxing forum, you'd know I do it A LOT). During the fight, Roy Jones used those tactics too, Muhammad Ali used those tactics too.
Roy Jones pre-Toney. Yet Roy Jones pre-Toney was so highly regarded.

'Despite beating better opposition than Hamed' - this isn't a thread comparing Pedroza's greatness to Hamed's. I actually have good reason to believe Pedroza would get knocked spark out by Hamed tbh although I sway more towards a Pedroza UD.

Dishonesty here from your part. You're just mentioning those two fights, the scorecards aren't entirely accurate their btw and prior to the fight he knocked out the Colombian champ and a year before was coming off a win over McKinney (a top guy he beat twice in fact).

It gets to the point where you're full of agenda. Kelley was coming off wins over more than just Clarence Adams. No point of dissing Gonzalez, he wasn't great but he was very good in his prime.

I said they were excuses, you framed your sentence as though it is something I'm not aware of, but after all, the sum of the parts that form a whole make the loss a lot more understandable, or did THE Oscar De La Hoya get beat by Manny Pacquiao? Not saying they're the same situations in the severity of the excuse, but then again, we don't know what was in the mind of Hamed too well and Hamed was feeling very drained, his sharpness was just generally lacking in that fight. Even though he had a war with Kelley, you knew his sharpness was somewhat there so he'd pull it out the bag. In the grand scale of it, he was only around 20/21 when he got the world title and defended it numerous times for years with a style that broke rules.

But, hey, you admitted that you're butthurt about his personality, and butthurts never give Naz his props in my experience as a Naz fan, so it all makes sense. Cheers. I'm not going to be reading another post of yours again because of the complete shambles of this post and the selective BS involved. I'm not interest in emotional little biitch posters.

 

I did not see this post. First of all, I'd like to say that people have different characteristics for measuring greatness.

He was 23 at age of death, 22 at the day of his last fight.
Yes, I'm aware Zamora is a notorious puncher who also happens to be of the **** chin brand of punchers.

As for your list of 'punchers', you don't know what a 'puncher' is exactly. I'm not saying a puncher is a straight up knockout artist necessarily.

1. Olivares was shot to shiit and done with his long, brutal career, there is still a dangerous element to him but he really wasn't going to beat a Pedraza level fighter by that stage.

2. A complete overstating of Malvarez as a 'puncher' there on a few levels.

3. I didn't watch the Lockridge fights, I'm not aware of if it was as close as the cards indicated. But sure, he was a straight up puncher.

4. Laporte was no puncher. Anyway, 2 fights only at world level where he got KO victories. He certainly waasn't known as a puncher

43 fight Sanchez didn't have an amateur background so spent his teens beating around 30 Mexican cab drivers, Nelson was a top amateur, fighting top amateurs and was quite clearly championship level after 13 fights, although I would say he beat a few legit solid guys in those first 13 fights. Lets not get it twisted too, Nelson suffered the same fate as many others who were victims of the subtlety I mentioned of Sanchez's game.
Sanchez beat Danny Lopez, a truly elite, prime, puncher.

 

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, lol. Oh how sensitive the Hamed fans are when their silly overrating of their hero is exposed. I was butthurt over nothing. You were because you and the rest of Hamed's (excuse making) fans can't seem to get over the fact that despite the fact he was one of the most classless and obnoxious fighters in recent history and (rightfully) gets stick over it, you can't get over the fact that he gets 'shitted on' even though his behavior warranted it. Waah, poor Naseem gets picked on by the majority of boxing fans, waaah,lol. I'm the one who's butthurt? I'm an emotional little ***** poster? YOU 'RE the one bitching about how he gets shitted on. All I did was state facts and you can't accept reality due to your blind allegiance to a classless, overrated *******. Just for the record, Kelley won 5 fights in a row against nothing special going into Hamed, so I guess that made him a very good feather going into the fight, lol. Btw, are denying Hamed was a very polarizing fighter? At least I'm honest with myself. I'm so sorry for you that you're in total denial about Hamed's pretty good at best opposition and his being so overrated due to his blind-to-the-facts fans. I simply love your nonsensical claim that Hamed is an ATG featherweight when he NEVER beat a great ,or anything remotely close, in his entire career. Cheers. As far as your never reading my posts again, that really hurt,lol. And I'm the one who's butthurt? You really don't see the paradox, do you? And just for the record, what atg featherweights was Hamed better than? Which one does he beat?

 

I don't care to interject anything but this - Laporte could crack. You don't get it on boxrec but he was a hard puncher just not busy enough to get the knockout in most cases.

 

Laporte's punch< Sanchez' punch~Sanchez' chin< Laporte's chin

 

I haven't been boxrecing everything, LaPorte is NOT a puncher.