why i like showtime better than hbo...

just to let you know, froch-groves and donaire-vetyeka next week.

cotto-sergio, provo-algieri, crawford-gamboa next month.

 

agreed 100%

 

I've said this before time and time again. Boxing like many things in the Western World are a white bureacracy. They are value takers not makers. Most of the sports Latinos, Blacks, Eastern Europeans, yet how many of them do we see in the network, promotions? Boxing bureacracy is so unrepresentative of the value creating demographic. It is one of the reasons I don't think minorities will persist or ever overtake the actual management of the sport, no matter how many non white fighters there are.

It's also representative of the realities in the UK/US whereas a disrproprtionatley large number of Indian ****stan Asian Arab Perisann Jewish Americans are the doctors, engineers, financers of the country, but hold little to no say in the leadership and decision making of the nation. 50% of the physicians in the US are Indian ****stani Bangladeshi or Egyptian. 33% of Silicon Valley start ups are indian americans alone. Together these nationalities don't make up 4% of the population. Yet there isn't a single notable Asian, minority face in Congress. Like in this country's media, in boxing minorities don't make the narratives, whites do. Bernstein and Farhood are unsupringly Jewish and Lebanese/Arab.

They realize and had to have a good level of humlity and self doubt to get to where they are, the curiosity lead them to understand things that most 'white' commentators don't in the SCIENCE of boxing. That's why they are well respected. During the Pac/Bradley fight 24/7 episode 2, look at the NSAC line up. There was a white female doctor there who looked so uninterested, she could have been pulled off of a suburban lawn.

This is one of the many reaosns, no matter how much I love this sport, I would never allow my kid near it. Small minds will fixate on things like race in my post. Smart mings will see my main point: The decision makers have nothing to do with the actual value creators in the sport. All this bickering of networks, promoters etc is just a product of this reality.

 

HBO has been a shithole since Merchant left.

 

I like the HBO format/presentation better but that's it, only because I grew up watching HBO boxing.

Showtime has an awesome commentary team, way less cheer leading.

 

if merchant was 20 years younger he will whoop your ass:bbb

 

Wards as boring at commentary as he is in the ring.

I like RJJ though.

 

They reason I seem to like Showtime better now is 80/20. 20 for the announcers and 80 because the don't put 3 matches of espn caliper boxers on the same card as one match of a big name. With Showtime (especially ppvs) you get your money's worth. Seems like there are just 1 or 2 names per weight class on HBO that you would even reconize anymore. Everyone jumped ship and swam to the Al Haymon island of legit boxers.

 

youer a *****, no surprise.:good

 

Paulie's my favorite right now. You can pick up a lot from that guy.

 

Semi-good post, but it reads like you're saying White Gentiles run this game, which is a complete fallacy.

Off the top of my head the last executives for HBO and Showtime (which is the real powerhouse here) were Seth Abraham, Ken Hershman and Ross Greenburg, all Jewish.

So many of the current promoters are Jewish; Arum, Shaw, Kallen, Lewkowicz. May as well throw Di Bella in their too... here's one of his quotes;

"I grew up in a 99% Jewish neighborhood and I was paid to turn on people’s air conditioners on Sabbath."

Food for thought from Oscar after breaking away from Arum back in 2000's, of course he had to beg for forgiveness right after;

"Bob Arum's people hope I lose because they can't see a Mexican above them, and also that he defeated one of the biggest Jews to come out of Harvard."

Commentators? Ledderman, Kellerman, (the new guy Weinstein), Bernstein, Farhood, all Jewish.

The Ring magazines founder's, Nat Fleischer and Dan Daniels, yes Jewish. Current author Rosenthall is also Jewish.

Hell, even Everlast was founded by Jacob Golomb, a Jew.

Bare in mind, they represent under 2% of America's population and I've certainly missed out some key players. Some of these guys genuinely love boxing, but there is a real case over representation.

To button the discussion, White Gentiles have very little GENUINE muscle in in this sport, they do as their told for the most part -- just like everyone else.

 

1. That's one sport 2. This is recent. Sho's and HBOs entire leadership is new over the last 8 years. Espinoza was practicing law before then. 3. The evolution of what is 'white' has evolved. Italians Irish and Jews were not considered 'whtie' in the 60s in America. Many are not only considered by minorities as such but also self identify as such now. There are almost entirely Jewish towns here in New Jersey (Short Hills, Morristown, Summit) but 90%+ of the population identifies as Caucasian. Sterling's comments did not come as a shock to me. The longer version of his phone call makes a definite contrast to many of the Sephardim and Ethiopian groups in Israel as a base for his racist opinions.

4. Many Jewish americans, unless making it obvious, could probably fit for 'white' to most people around them. They tend to hire other Jews/people form their background (like many would say sports managers hire other white people). Not so much out of outright race, but because it reminds themselves of thmeselves/comfortable culture (ie not explaining leaving work on Friday because of Sabbath). Since Espinoza has come on CBS has hired two other Jewish executives at Showtime boxing. That's no coincidence to me.

Sadly many of the insecurities that were used to keep such people out of sports a generation ago are now being perpetuated by those very same minorities. Again my point is to point out race, but to show green, and demographics stop the leadership from representing value makers