Floyd Mayweather vs Ray Leonard...

nicely put but no. Is Berbick the best heavyweight on account of beating a shell in ALi? Of course not. it's WHEN you beat them that matters

no, I put Floyd well in front becuz every Ray did, Floyd does better

and no, Hagler & Ray were not evenly matched. Otherwise we'd have ourselves an earlier version as well as an early exit

 

why not? Hagler was shot

Ali was shot

it was Ali's last fight

it was Hagler's last fight

and both were lifeless and used up

 

protected as in a 1987 Hagler, lalonde, Hearns & Duran rematches a decade late, avoiding Nunn, Pryor

the end result: a disasterous showing vs his only opponent with outstanding hand & foot speed

had Ray whipped Terry that night, only then you could talk & boast becuz seeing is believing

 

You can't really believe this rubbish you write.

Comparing the Ali of the Berbick fight, to the version of Hagler that fought Ray? atsch

Ali had absolutely nothing left to give, and should never have been fighting at that point.

Hagler could have fought on had he wanted to.

He wasn't shot.

You've just painted yourself into a corner and have to say that.

When did he become shot?

It wasn't in 85, and they fought in 87.

So when was it, 86? He stopped a very good fighter in Mugabi.

I'm not even arguing with you regarding him being past his best.

But saying he was shot and discrediting the win, is just pure ignorance.

 

He wasn't protected.

What don't you understand, about the fact that he kept retiring?

He missed a huge chunk of the 80's.

He only fought three times in almost 6 years, between Hearns 1 and Hagler.

During the time, Hearns was fighting a 160 and then he went to 175.

Duran also went up to 160, and fought bouts over 160.

Do you not think that Ray's inactivity contributed to those rematches coming later than than everyone wanted?

Each guy had a different set of circumstances, which you NEVER allow for.

When did Ray duck Aaron Pryor? Give me the details.

Give me the details on Nunn. Nunn was probably more of a risk, for less of a reward at that stage of Ray's career. He'd got nothing to prove at that point, and probably wanted to cash out.

But how can you question Ray's motives and his opposition, when you're a huge fan of Floyd's?

It's a joke!

If only Ray had beaten Terry, I could boast?

Ha! Did Terry's win eradicate Ray's other great victories?

Nobody thinks that Floyd has a better resume than Floyd.

Start a thread, and you'll get laughed at.

 

Can we talk about Terry Norris sterling effort against ATG Keith Mullings ?? Or his breakthrough showing against Julian Jackson ! Go to Chinny`s greatest hits

 

Ali had nothing left to give. Hagler had nothing left to give. Why else would Sugar develop an interest in him? It's common sense

you can put Hagler in the same mediocre league as Lalonde and the other two fellows following. Put them all together and they spell the Ray Leonard remedial boxing tour

I believe it was Al Francis who asked me a week or so ago and I told him of the sparring session I witnessed between Hagler & the Weaver triplets the month before

I was telling my old playmate John Thomas and even sent him the photo over ESB, oh, about five years ago

yes, Hagler was dead, his future in immediate jeopardy

you dont have to believe me, consult the video round six Tim Ryan says Sugar Ray "Sugar Ray said he was counting on the slowness of Hagler. he said Hagler had lost alot of speed"

I got that from the horses mouth so just dismiss anything JLP says that the two of them fighting earlier wouldve just been a faster paced bout with the two of them evenly matched

as they say in England, poppy****!

I'll say it again, poppy****!

SRl fans always do that, they try to extrapolate results the way THEY want them

 

why? you cant stand the thought of Terry boxing circles around the competition?

how did you feel after Terry finished with Brown in that rematch?

or would you like to change the subject?

why dont you tell your favorite story how you've blocked me from posting

 

Anyone arguing for Floyd is arguing for an underdog. And you know most favorites noramally win.

 

those werent retirements, those were ploys. wake up! lord, even my ten year old is smarter than that!

as for Floyd, how can I not be a fan when everything about him screams of success. 38 and never lost


it's Floyd who's fought more, fought consistenly, and against top notch fighters and therefore has earned more stripes

please dont tell me "Ray's circumstances were different". Floyd has done more becuz he's of higher stock. In other words, whatever Ray did, Floyd does better. that's why he's more successful and makes more money

and despite your disdain for numbers, and stats, we have to be able to quantify accomplishments.

For Example, King Saul killed his thousands while David killed his ten thousands

likewise, a moutaineer would pull off the more impressive feats in scaling the Himalayas instead of the Alps

and likewise, Ray has faced the best of one division while Floyd & Roy Jones have went well beyond that in their present day record breaking achievements

Sugar wouldnt even defend his middleweight title, the gutless coward. While Floyd undoubtedly would have since he seeks to make the most of every opportunity.

nothing ventured nothing gained

nor did he defend his superwelter. I suppose I could cut him some slack on that one since there was really nobody there at the time. He probably would have had a field day

Ray had the beginnings of a nice career but that's all it was and I am not going to excuse him the way you have by saying "well he couldnt fight Nunn becuz he had nothing to prove" or whatever lame excuse you gave,, all the while fighting when according to you "he couldnt fight"

that' a copout and both of us know it

seeing is believing and I would def take your side had we seen extra proof, a young hot Curry, a Lloyd Honeyghan, an Aaron Pryor who had to give up on a timid reluctant Leonard and fight the only man with enough courage to face him - Arguello

Arguello & De la Hoya, why cant we have more like them?

also Nunn wouldve been the cherry on top, maybe a rematch with Hearns in 84 but I suppose that wouldve been too much to ask of him considering his performace with Howard. god how embarassing. its no wonder he retired

A late matchup with Hagler about three years distant sounds more his speed

 

I have no doubt Floyd would be the underdog

but you do remember what happened to Ray the last two times his opponents were the underdog :!:

 

This thread is fantastic, possibly the best yet for revisionism, and nut hugging.
So far we have got,

1. Leonard was a " walk em down " fighter.

2. Hagler was still " in his prime " when Leonard beat him.

3. Duran was only ever a bum.

4. Floyd Mayweather is totally unskilled, useless, and would be a sacrificial lamb to Leonard.

And this is only for starters.

I sincerely hope that Ray Leonard has got a 50 inch dick, because he would need that much for the amount of people queueing up to suck it.

Lets get a few things straight here, this cretin did not have a hard career, but much like Roy Jones he relied on speed and reflexes, they went, and s did he.

Now his apologists can dream up all the excuses they like, the reality is, EVERYTIME he signed a contract to fight, he was deemed fit and able, so there are no excuses. He was totally humiliated, in his penultimate fight, then KTFO in his last fight, and his fanboys can wriggle and squirm all they like it simply won't alter the facts.

IMO Mayweather will NEVER EVER suffer those kinds of defeats, and Leonard was certainly NEVER capable of inflicting a similar kind of loss upon him.

 

Well you less than than 50% fam. I like how you keep going at it cuz you like your guy, for real I admire that, but if these nigazs ever fought I'd take you to a bar after to make you feel better.

 

That will do for me as the stupidest post in the history of internet forums.

WELL DONE, you are without doubt the biggest idiot ever to contaminate the world wide web.

 

I tried to tell him but he wouldnt listen