Joe Louis' Vastly Under Rated Chin

You give two exceptional examples shall I post a thousand that follow the form book? I'm aware that primes are variable.

 

Was Louis ever kod by one shot?
"My personal basis ?" More nonsense from Rainman.
Billy Conn stopped Bob Pastor, flooring him twice before koing him with one left hook to the body. In 65 fights only 2 people stopped Pastor ,Louis and Conn.Conn could hit when he came down off his toes.

167lbs Joe Choynski twice staggered the 219lbs Jim Jeffries, going 20rds to a decision with him. Does this mean Jeffries had a weak chin?

 

There are three tiers of evidence that can be used to assess a fighters chin.

Primary evidence is a fighter being stopped due to taking punches to the chin.

Secondary evidence is a fighter being dropped but getting back up, and carries far less weight than primary evidence.

Tertiary evidence is a fighter being staggered but remaining on their feet, which represents the most tenuous evidence of all.

The case that is routinely fielded against Louis’s chin, is based entirely on secondary and tertiary evidence, which ultimately means that it is not particularly strong.

 

Chins are best graded when they are hit. On film light hitting heavies such as Tommy Farr and a sub 170 pound Billy Conn visibly stagger Louis. Hardly the mark of a top level chin.

The best punchers that landed on Louis Ko’d him in Scheming and Marciano. I did not list Max Bear because he hardly landed much at all. So it’s clear anyone who hit on Schmeling’s this level could put Louis down for the count. The punch that Schmleing landed had lingering effects for Louis. He could not shake it off.

Others who hardly landed much such as Galento floored Louis.

Louis’ chin was less than just about every top level heavyweight champion I can think of. Not as good as Jeffries, Dempsey, Marciano, Liston, Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, and V. Klitschko for sure. I would say it’s more over rated than under rated.

How is this a way of response?

 

50 right hands in the last round? BS. You might want to watch the last round closely as Louis delivers a mean one below the belt that hurt Schmeling prior to Schmeling finishing Louis off in the same round. Yes--its on film, if you don't have an edited version. - Mendoza

Then why re quote BS? Its your MO. Copy and paste what you like from books, shoot down the rest

Oh, they happened. Please show me where hitting someone in the back of the head or the kidney is legal? They were fouls even though these fights were essentially over.

Prove to me this was unintentional? Louis was accurate puncher and the punch had plenty of steam on it as the film shows. Louis fouled here, just like he fouled in the other two fights mentioned. The only difference here is he was losing this one.

What the heck else would he say? Do you believe Louis when he said he would never beat Marciano too?

 

The shot that Louis landed on Baer connected whilst Baer was facing Louis and coming forward, it landed on the left side of Baer's head it is there for everyone to see. The punch that landed on Schmeling's kidneys was a result of him turning his back ,which Schmeling acknowledged himself saying it was aimed at his body. Schmeling realised Louis was groggy when he unintentionally hit him low in the first fight and said so to John Roxborough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frqw_GO0LLk
No one on this thread who has viewed the footage above agrees with you. Carry on with your bigoted character assassination the only one who is getting smeared here is yourself.

 

Lot's of good arguments here so I doubt I'll be able to ad anymore than what has already been covered. But I think his chin was fairly durable. He fought in 69 pro fights and was stopped only twice, with one of those occasions coming at the end of his career and to a truly elite hitter. The other came when he was still rough around the edges and in a sustained beating over many rounds against a former heavyweight champion. During the course of his career, he took big shots from Max Baer, Buddy Baer, Arturo Godoy, Lou Nova, Joe Walcott, Tony Galento and some others who could crack. Can't build much of a case for his chin being weak.

 

Mendoza's contention that Max Baer did not land much on Louis is false .He landed a series of hard shots at 2.23 of rd1, some more at the end of rd 2.and a couple in rd 3.

 

Well, he also credits Ken Norton's chin for surviving the power of Duane Bobick even though that fight only lasted 38 seconds, so take it with a grain of salt.

 

this is the way I see it, Joe had a variety of different types of style punchers in front of him and he did very well, he was human but Magoo layed it out above, Joe's 69 fight record is good evidence for a solid chin