Rigo is overrated

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by True_Hero, May 29, 2014.


  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Thats not necessarily true, the lower weight classes have been a hard sell for fans historically, just like the wrestling analogy I used, people love big guys they are more entertaining to them.

    Pacquiao is also a very likable figure, he's far more sympathetic than Rigo will ever be.
    Rigo comes across as very cold, calculating, aloof and slightly angry, whether he means to or not, so he's a tough sell no matter what he does or accomplishes.
    Floyd would be a tough sell if it weren't for the mic skills he has to hype up his fan base, also its fun for people to root against him, so he has that going for him as well.

    People would get frustrated when their guy loses to Rigo and then they would lose interest they wouldn't become a fan of his.
     
  2. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    tell me rigondeaux/santa cruz would not produce fireworks.

    tell me rigondeaux/darchinyan would not produce fireworks.

    tell me rigondeaux/mares would not produce fireworks.

    tell me rigondeaux/j.gonzalez would not produce fireworks.

    all of those guys are bulls. rigondeaux is the matador. classic match ups. classic fights.

    tell me rigondeaux/lomachenko/russell would not be one of the best match ups possible in all of boxing. all are very doable. all will be big fights.

    this guy has all the skill in the world. there's no doubt in my mind that u give this guy a line up of opponents like this and he's destined for atg status. it's rare when opposition is available to a fighter like him in his weight class and one above. all the opposition is there for him to prove his greatness. he just doesn't have the right promoter.
     
  3. jesse

    jesse Well-Known Member Full Member

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    no one wants to fight rigondeaux. All we will have to listen to is the same old bull**** "Rigo is no draw, no money in the fight, etc..."
     
  4. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    if arum had any sense he'd push to have rigondeaux unify.

    arum isn't interested in promoting him. it's as simple as that. i forgot about kiko martinez. rigondeaux would destroy him as well. these are all highlight reel material kind of fights. rigondeaux is destined for greatness if those matches can be made.
     
  5. CST80

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    I could see at least 1 or 2 of them KOing him, he has chin issues, and their constant pressure would eventually get to him, as long as their chins hold up.

    Santa Cruz or Darchinyan could make it into a Angulo/Lara type fight, Donaire didn't fight an intelligent enough fight he took him too lightly, now everyone else has learned from his mistake it may take a few opponents to correct Donaire's mistakes but 1 of them possibly can, I'm not willing to write off Kiko or Frampton yet either.

    Every boxer has their Marquez like kryptonite, someone will be his.
    How will he fare against a true pressure fighter remains to be seen, I'm not willing to believe the hype just yet.

    Also I'm not saying some of those fights wouldn't be exciting, I'm just saying it will be hard making casual fans care.
     
  6. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    that was a fight of the year candidate imo....and i'm sure those fights will be too. my point is...make the matches that are out there for him. he's either going to shine or get ko'd. either way....exciting fights because of the match ups that will make for foty candidates. so all the ppl calling him boring have no clue. if i'm arum and i want to get rid of him...why not try to make these matches??? one of these guys has to ko him right??? let's let the chips fall. my guess is that rigondeaux is like coal....all that pressure is only going to reveal the diamond. believe me...he is a diamond.
     
  7. SOUTHERMOST

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    "The problem his chin" what a ******ed statement facing the hardest puncher in the division who landed few hard shots on him the person who got hurt in the fight was Nonito and nobody talks about it.
     
  8. CST80

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    I agree Angulo/Lara was one of my favorite fights from 2013, why because Angulo made the fight even at his own peril, it wasn't Lara.

    Lara and Rigo are boring, its up to other fighters to press them and make them exciting. I never said he is an unskilled boxer just really hard to market boxer, Arum has been doing this his whole life he knows how to make money, he doesn't know how to with him and he doesn't want to waste money trying to figure out how.

    I watch Rigo fights hoping he loses, that said I'm a hardcore fan most people are not as devout as you and I.
     
  9. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    arum does not promote black boxers. ppl will point to floyd...and leonard...that was ages ago. leonard was an easy sell....and floyd never really got the recognition he deserved under arum. arum has had black boxers who could have been stars...but he prefers to put on "pinoy power" cards and play on race to cash in. his latest thing is the whole asian market thing in macau. sure....that's a new emerging market for boxing....but guess what? those guys aren't interested in seeing black fighters beat up on their guys. the latino market is much different. the latino fans want to see their guys lay it all on the line to prove who's best regardless of race. i was at the lara/angulo fight...and i've been to a **** load of fights. the crowd was electric in that fight. they were doing waves in between rounds. it was awesome. it takes two to tango. i don't care who the fighters are...u give the bull vs matador match up...it's going to be electric. u put rigondeaux in the matches i suggested and the same happens.
     
  10. SOUTHERMOST

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    You forget something about Rigo is not his boxing abilities this small guy got some serious power that first round when Nonito got hit and was push back was a clear message to him and the rest of the division.
     
  11. daprofessor

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    everyone missed that nonito squared him up using his elbow to get that knockdown. it was an illegal move that led to the knockdown....but rigondeaux ate that shot and got up like nothing happened. he had donaire running for the rest of the round. donaires face told the story.
     
  12. CST80

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    I'm White so I don't really have horse in that race.

    However if their were more Ali,Tyson,Leonard,RJJ exciting fighters he would easily market the hell out of them, because they'd be fan friendly and easy sells.Unfortunately there is nobody around with their style or charisma.

    As far as Asia goes, wouldn't you if you were a promoter try to tap into a massive market with over a billion potential tickets to sell, you can't blame him for that.

    Boxing is a business, the fighters and the promoters are in it for money, and they usually follow where ever the cash leads them, which is fine I'd want the most money I could get for being punched in the face for a living.

    Its high risk low reward, why would a fighter take a fight with Rigo for little money only to be frustrated and made look bad for a low reward.
    Why would Arum make the fight for alot of money when he is not guaranteed a return on his investment.
     
  13. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'll gladly concede all of this if I never once have to hear again how much more brilliant or visionary Top Rank is than anyone else or how they're superior to "TV booker" promoters. If it's simply a matter of their finding guys who are already easy to promote than their specific work is already irrelevant at best and has not a lick to do with the good of the sport.
     
  14. I Know Everythi

    I Know Everythi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Outside of a not shot Donaire, he beat Agbeko

    Agbeko is not a bum

    He was robbed against Abner Mares in a fight where he was hit low literally 20+ times and not ONE point was deducted. In fact, when Agbeko went down from a clear low blow the corrupt referee ruled it a knockdown instead. Agbeko lost by majority decision
     
  15. Beatle

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    Donaire was p4p n3 when Rigo schooled and embarrassed him. You say Donaire was shot, but you can't say that now - you should have said it BEFORE the fight.

    Rigo has the same skills Floyd has, but his win over Donaire is better than any win on Floyd's resume.