Greg Haugen: how good was he?

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  1. SILVER SKULL 66

    SILVER SKULL 66 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ummmmm NO:-( HE SHOULDN'T..

    But on the flip side i would much rather see Haugen in there then Stallone, and all of those cheesy Rocky movies he made, it should have been ROCKY 1, and that's it, not to mention all of his other garbage movies, and the guy never fought a round as a professional just fantasy bull****:verysad
     
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  2. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol: no it isnt. YOU'RE just plain wrong

    Think about it. Haugen was never a match for the elite fighters of his day, Pernel & Chavez. Hector, every bit as crafty as his fellow southpaw Pernel but with three times the speed, wouldve trated him like an after thought in his heyday. as one insider of the fight game noted "Greg Haugen in his prime wouldnt have laid a hand on Hector Camacho in HIS prime"

    I have no illusions about Greg. he was a short, short armed, dumpy, b-class but durable fighter at best. time for you to wake up to reality
     
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  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    no what isn't? to what the **** are you responding to in my post?

    Whitaker was unbeatable by every fighter of that day so hardly a good barometer of elite unless elite is possessed by only one fighter. Chavez was younger and more prime than Greg when they fought and just as great as Whitaker. Again no mark on anyone's record losing to him, especially since Greg was well on the downside of his career . Camacho was TWO YEARS YOUNGER, again TWO YEARS YOUNGER (can you repeat that?) than Greg when Greg beat him so again what exactly are you saying? As a bunch of insiders I knew in that day said, Greg would always gives fits for a guy like Camacho because Hector likes to fight 30 seconds a round and Greg fights 180 seconds. And I know guys who have fought and sparred with both.


    Greg was the same height as Camacho and Whitaker, had pretty much the same reach as Camacho and just 2 inches shorter in reach than Whitaker… so again, you can't even master the obvious let alone the subtle, relevant or meaningful. He beat champions in Jimmy Paul, Pazienza, Camacho and Mancini. How is this guy not elite?
     
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  4. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    which insiders? Hector has been going donwhill since 88, went into deep decline the next year, and the next year after was ready to be taken

    early to mid 80s he was untouchable. better men than Haugen fell to Hector without ever touching him, just like the man said! Ramirez gave Pernel a closer contest but never came close to winning a round against Hector. Boza Edwards the same, couldnt touch him. Louis Loy, Hector had more speed than he knew what to do with, more speed than a man had a right to


    and Chavez? he wouldnt dare step out of the shadows in either division to face Hector. Whenever Hector chose to vacate a division, Julio knew it was best to just wait, and he did becuz as the trail shows, whenever Hector left a divison, Julio waited and THEN made his move

    as the man said, Haugen in his prime wouldnt have laid a glove on Hector in his prime. Or as Ron Stander's wife once said "it's like entering a volkswagon in the Indy 500"
     
    redrooster, Jun 4, 2014
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  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    This is just total tripe from start to finish.

    Hector was two years younger and still had some nice performances ahead of him. It could be better argued that Haugen was closer to the end of his prime than Hector as his best performances, against Paul and Paz, were well behind him… And that Julio being afraid of Hector makes for a good laugh… Meldrick Taylor was pretty quick, also, if I remember.
     
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  6. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rooster, is it me or have you gone just that much further off the beam in the last six or so years?
     
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  7. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Solid legit top ten lightweight in his time.

    tough and with decent fundamentals...a smart cagey technical minded fighter that threw a good one-two and that knew his limitations, but he made Jim Watt look like an effortless natural talent.I would never describe him as a slick cutie or someone with a deep bag of tricks, not that kind of fighter to me at all.

    But he was the kind of honest, skilled enough, tough enough, no bull**** pro that could expose flaws in fighters that might previously have seemed the more gifted, or possessed flashier basic tools like a great jab or right, but might have glaring flaws lurking under the surface.

    Jimmy Paul, speedster hypejob Pazienza and a cruise control, post-Rosario cokehead Camacho are good examples of this.
     
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  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Effectiveness is not always pretty but effectiveness is the manifestation of excellence.
     
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  9. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Enough of yer hubris
     
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  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Love that **** on a pita bread.
     
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  11. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    what nice performances, the Chavez beating? the loss to Trinidad? sure he won figts but no longer elite class

    and no, it cant be argued that Haugen was closer to the end becuz he hadnt fallen that far down!

    better men that Greg Haugen could barely lay a glove on Hector - Ramirez, Howard Davis, Boza Edwards and no here he is in a new decade, dropping a split points to a Greg Haugen. THAT'S hitting a LOW!


    not only did Julio avoid Hector, not one time during his prime did Julio ever HINT that he wanted a fight

    dont believe me?

    1983-84, both men competed in the same division, but only Hector ruled at the top

    why no challenge?

    He waited till Hector vacated then faced off against someone named Mario Chavez

    two years later, Hector is at the top at 135, and AGAIN no challenge from Chavez

    It wouldve been like the Whitaker fight, Chavez totally bewildered by the speed & unable to find him

    No, he had to WAIT 7 years after Hector was a not much has been, losing to Haugen and going nowhere like the others he fought, Rojas, Laporte, Lockridge, Ramirez, all has beens

    Now the Taylor fight, THAT was entertaining! Hector never wouldve been caught like that

    too bad for the crappy referring that cost Meldrick the fight. Unbelievable
     
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  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I remember Rosario making Camacho **** his pants and forever dousing his bull**** bravado.

    I also remember Chavez putting on an all time clinic on infighting, spacing and punch selection in stopping Rosario.

    Just a little compare and contrast.
     
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  13. MrFoFody

    MrFoFody Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :deal
    This should put and end to the "Chavez ducking Camacho" krap :lol:
     
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  14. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :good Loved this post.
     
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  15. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i was a Haugan fan, he's a much better box/fighter than people credit him with and he fought all the best of his time with, hope, belief and no fear...

    he was a 'fighter' afterall.
     
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