James toney vs calzaghe brake down

toney will land at will in the first few rounds probably dropping joe. Joe will throw a lot to make up for his usual lower than the opponent hit rate against very good boxers.

joe throws more and more as toney builds up a points lead, but tone easing off late on lands him a few rounds to yield a narrow but undisputed decision for jambo.

this is purely hypothetical, since generally joe ran in terror from fights he might lose, and would really wait till toney was 44 before calling him out and then whooping with joy by outgassing but not outboxing him.

if anyone has a problem with this post, then I am only pointing out what calzaghe DID, not a wouldda couldda shouldda. He had a predilection for calling out 40somethings and a habit of throwing more but landing a lower percentage when facing a good opponent, statistically backed up. So take up your problem with joe, not me.

 

The fact is, both men ducked each other. If either had wanted to fight the other, he could have crossed the ocean and done so. They were both afraid to lose.

 

not they didn't, they were in different weights. You are wrong to call joe a cowardzaghe here! how dare you. you need include a reason for him being cowardzaghe first, like facing old shot roy jones.


besides that how is toney petrified to lose in the way joe is, when toney has loses.

 

yes toney would have a breakdown when he gets slapped up by calslappy.

 

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you either are thinking of someone other than James Toney or are clueless. I'll assume you were actually thinking of and attributing to someone other than Toney.

Toney had eaten his way out of SMW by '95 with the late '94 fight against RJJ being his last. Calz was fighting novices and been a pro for a year at that point.

JT loves to fight and certainly wasn't afraid of losing, fighting anyone, and certainly he has never ducked Joe Calzaghe.

Toney would have fought Calz at Enzo's house (without cameras to protect Joe) for a simple dinner out and let Enzo be the ref and Joe the only judge. Toney of '94 would have punished Joe and a serious twelve round fight at that time would have quite possibly changed Joe's career arc permanently.

Even in a weak era (as US youths have completely ignored boxing for many generations now with long falling participation rates), a short middleweight doesn't move up to fight at SMW/LHW/Cruiser/HW and continue into their mid-40s without being extraordinarily tough.

You can have a superheavyweight sized fighter extend a career into old age (in a weak era) as long as there are more "normal" sized heavyweights in the division, but when a small guy does it it is no less than remarkable.

There is no way imaginable that such a man (i.e., James Toney) would have thought twice about Joe Calzaghe. As for Calz ... there is no way he EVER entertained the idea of facing James Toney as JT was essentially a cruiser by '97 and Joe was running his ass off to avoid having to go up to LHW his entire career.

 

If an shot Roy Jones and an old 43 year old Bernard Hopkins could drop Calzaghe then why couldn't Toney?

 

Bailey, are you implying these fighters are bums?

 

Toney was at his best at super middleweight.He gave a career best performance against Barkley. In fact, he was better than at middlweight where he defeated Nunn, johnson Mc Callum or cruiserweight where he defeated Jirov or heavyweight where he defeated Holyfield and Ruiz

So, what is your point?

Barkley and Prince Charles Williams would be among the toughest challenges Calzaghe ever had.

 

yes shot toney would definitely drop joe, I agree.

but as soon as shot 40something toney gasses, then ultrafit joe throws loads of pittypatter punches, most of which miss, but a few which land but do nothing, during which toney does nothing too, and therefore joe can scrape a life and death split decision controversial win.



and then joe runs in terror from rematch.

so you are wrong, 43 year old toney would minutely lose to prime/postprime joe(but yeh prime toney destroys joe obviously).

 

Toney at his best and weighin in 168, let's say when he fought Iran Barkley, busts up Joe Calzaghe for 3 particular reasons:
1 - Toney's inside game is far superior due to correct punching technique, placement of punches, multiplication of combination punching, fast punching, excellent positioning of the body while punching ( old-school).
2 - Toney's mid-range is devastating, withering straight right-hands, overhand rights, thumping left hooks, uppercuts, massive body attack mixed with uppercuts and volleys to the head, accuracy and a lot of swing and stiffness.
3- Resilience Toney could get cut like against Littles due to a clash of heads but he had that sense of timing and an urgency to finish undone jobs like against Littles, Prince Charles Williams, Michael Nunn.

All in all, Toney lost to very awkward, the most unorthodox fighters out there like Roy, Montell Griffin, Samuel Peter and Joe Calzaghe did not but you cannot compare one resumé with the other.

 

Plus, a lot of people think he won twice against Griffin (including HBO and the RING) and against Peter I.

The decision against Griffin II was called the worst decision in 1996 by the magazine IBD

 

I don't know about the RINg but I know that the so-called self-proclaimed Bible of Boxing claimed Peter when he won the rematch and Toney had to put his head down and say he came from 160. However I knew somewhere down the line, Peter would go down the drain with Vitali and then Helenius and it ain't ova.

Concerning HBO, I have the Brodcast for the rematch against Griffin with Roy watching and commenting in the entrance of his house live. The HBO crew had it for Toney, they were pretty sure and Montell got it by incredible scores, I believe one judge gave just one round to James. Eddie Futch also talked about his split with R.Bowe in between the two Bowe-Golota fights. Oh and btw, I don't stand that Dave Tiberi was robbed when James was IBF Champion, never stood.

 

Before you 'brake it down' you might want to break down your literacy skills. At least get your name right ffs.

 

By the time Calzaghe won a title, Toney had long left 168. He was fighting at cruiserweight by then.

 

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(#1 was good & #2 in particular - "thumping left hooks").

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destroys Joe. His offensive variety, and unrelenting natural flowing combination work at mid-range, and overall (

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) punch technique is FAR above Joe's - just a completely different (offensive) level of fighter.

H2H that leaves defense and chin/toughness and you don't go from small middleweight to SMW/LHW/Cruiser/HW and fight until you are 45 without extraordinary levels of both.