The Five Foot Ten Heavyweight Club

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  1. frank

    frank Active Member Full Member

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    i think if bert cooper was drug free or at least a dedicated trainer might have held one of the belts.i thought Lionel Butler had a chance.
     
  2. grumpy old man

    grumpy old man Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The 5ft 11ins Roy Jones Jnr won the WBA world heavyweight title in 2003.

    Looking at super short heavyweights. The 5ft 7ins Tommy Burns was world heavyweight championship in the very early 1900s.
     
  3. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon.

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    Jones is a special case. He was a light-heavy who only went up to heavy for one fight against a guy who was tailor made for him. You'll notice he didn't repeat the trick against other top heavies like Lennox Lewis, Vitali or Wladimir Klitschko, or even Corrie Sanders. He and Toney also had a bit of a steroid problem around that time too.
     
  4. grumpy old man

    grumpy old man Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Quite aware of that. But he did win a recognized world heavyweight title at 5ft 11.
     
  5. SILVER SKULL 66

    SILVER SKULL 66 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I hear ya Heavyweights are ALWAYS listed taller than their actual height:-(,Evander Holyfield listed at 6-2 1/2 yea maybe standing on a phone book, in the 80's Tyson's height was grossly exaggerated at 6 foot, when he was only about 5-10, Tommy Morrison was generously listed at 6-2, but more like 6 foot...

    Toney listed at 5-11 only 5-9, and Tua looks around the same maybe even shorter....

    I think these guy's lie about their height to try to scare people, or they are measured wearing high heeled street shoes:lol:
     
  6. SILVER SKULL 66

    SILVER SKULL 66 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bert Cooper had Holyfield down and nearly out in 1992, and was 1 punch away from a KO, and he was only about 5-9, but built like a tank...

    Some refs may have even stopped that fight when Holy was out on his feet, hell Froch Groves 1, was stopped when Groves wasn't as badly hurt as Holyfield was in that fight....
     
  7. grumpy old man

    grumpy old man Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I remember watching Cooper vs Holyfield. Very eventful fight, and when Holly got knocked onto the ropes after a huge flurry from Cooper it did look all over.

    It was sad to see those two warriors fight deep into their 40s when they should have both been well retired.
     
  8. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon.

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    Bert Cooper 5'11.5" 78.5" 38-25-0

    I wouldn't include Cooper in the top 100 heavyweights of all time because he didn't beat anyone major and lost to all the big names: Holyfield, Moorer, Foreman, Bowe, Mercer, Weaver, Sanders, Byrd. He wasn't even really a gate keeper since he lost to a bunch of other guys too. Probably not even a top ten heavy in his own era. Anyway, I wouldn't use him as an example of a smaller guy beating larger modern competition.
     
  9. grumpy old man

    grumpy old man Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He was sure exciting to watch though.
     
  10. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I think some of the claimed exaggerations of HW heights are themselves...exaggerated.

    I never saw Tyson listed above his 5' 11' 1/2 & followed him from before he was a big name. I also met him & he SEEMS his listed height. But fighting taller guys, from a crouch, & being bulky will make you look shorter.

    Morrison I always saw listed as 6' 1".

    Tua might well have been shorter than 5' 10", but again being so heavily built makes you loom shorter, especially against tall men.
     
  11. grumpy old man

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    Even during a fight the combatants heights can be misleading. Some fighters choose to fight more upright than others and at times the shorter guy can look the taller because of that.
     
  12. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tua is actually 5'9", as is James Toney. Tyson was never 5'11, either. A lot of guys get over-billed in the height department.
     
  13. grumpy old man

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    It is not like there is any accountability for the accuracy of a fighter's height like there is weight. In some cases it is probably just the word of the fighter.
     
  14. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Correct. And I'm not sure if it's the fighters or the managers/promoters who do more of the embellishing.

    Even Ali got over billed. He was usually listed as 6'3", but he was on a talk show in 1970 (which included Clint Eastwood as a guest) and Ali said he was 6'2". He was shorter than Eastwood.

    Foreman all through his first career was listed 6'3", but for career number two, Foreman magically grew to 6'4".
     
  15. choklab

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    I don't think Patterson was 6 foot.

    Most agree Holyfeild is less than 6'2'' because he was 6'1" for a long time and that was before he shaved his head.

    A lot of heavyweights over 6 foot get rounded up to 6'3" but I think Ali and Holmes were around that height and among the tallest of those who claim to be 6'3".

    David Haye is not 6'3" but he is over 6 foot.