How do you view Froch's comments about Andre Ward

It's the one big knock against his legacy. Unlike Calzaghe, Froch will go his whole career without being number one. That's a shame given all the guys he's beaten. But he's clearly worried about getting schooled by Ward again.

 

I keep hearing about carl's warrior image how he'll fight all comers etc etc it's actually not an accurate tag line they've ran with, not outside the ring anyway...inside the ring he is 100%...but outside of it he doesn't match up to the tag-line. Carl Froch is actually one of the most nervous and self doubting fighters at the top level around...thats not a slight on the man...it's actually one of his best attributes...because it makes him work as hard as he does outside the ring.

But we need to be truthful behind the hyperbole...do we consider someone who's nervous and self doubting as carl is with the attributes of a warrior?? Or is he not very nervous and self doubting??

He's a warrior when facing a particular style...thats why we're getting positive talks of a chavez fight, or kessler 3...he'd fight him every 6 months if he had the chance or even a ggg fight...it's a decent style for him.

He's fought all comers...but he's mostly been forced to fight them. Everyone knows speed causes froch trouble or it's a style he doesn't lke fighting...dirrell/taylor/groves. He HAD to fight the first two in the super six...and groves both times he clearly didn't want. Froch was bullshitting people saying he gave george the rematch etc...they had to talk him into it...plus the ibf called for one...he would have had to give up the belt otherwise...which i think he probably would have done without eddie hearn's input.

He wasn't up for it...it was clear to see. Then we get it signed after the ibf mandate it...froch comes out saying he was always going to give george the rematch and everyone buys it...and says what a warrior because froch tells them he is on sky tv.

It's not true...when you get him in the ring he is no one will ever have a problem with anyone saying that. But he doesn't have the same warrior mentality outside it...far from it. It's actually a massive contradiction but because they say the right things that make him look like a warrior enough times on sky tv...everyone buys into it.

Froch can do what he wants now in my book he's earned that right and he's done it the hard way and proved himself inside the ring and thats all that matters.

The only problem i have with the warrior tagline is...if they were to say carl's a warrior look how he faught last time out, look at the bombs he took and he came back fighting or he's had to take out all comers in his career i would 100% percent agree.

But they try to make out that he wants to take on all comers or he's went out and agreed the groves rematch because the british public want it...because he's a warrior who'll fight anyone, the list could go on and on with examples.

Instead of saying there's no point fighting ward...he'll beat me...he has pretty much touched on that in the past briefly...but the official line is...ward wouldn't sell, no ones interested in him so i wont be fighting him where's kessler lol I think the ward fight is a genuinely selable fight especially in britain. Why wouldn't it be...number 1 and 2 in the division...froch looking good after his last fight, ward being inactive can it close the gap...i dont think it will but a warrior would be saying...i m going there to beat him this time it's the only blemish on my record i ve not righted, it would give me an almost perfect resume. Their trying to sell it to the casuals not to you and me.

I understand it's about money...but realistically how much will chavez give him?? Compared to the ward fight which to me easily sells out nottinham...and pay per view numbers being decent with the right marketing behind it. You dont come on and tell people ward is boring...you tell them we're bringing the best in the division over from the states thats untouchable can the warrior carl froch take him out in a revenge match...blah blah blah and every casual out there buys it.

 

Sorry, i hate to be critical, but your talking bollocks.

 

I expect a lot of heat about the post tbh mate...but i still say there's some truth in it. The guy should go down as a warrior inside the ring, he's deserves every bit of credit out there for his ring achievements but no warrior outside it for me.

I would say nigel benn was a warrior...froch every bit as much inside but outside it he's not nearly in the same league. Just couldn't imagine benn doing some of the things carl has outside the ring. They just put a positive spin on everything nowadays.

 

He wants to fight in Veges and Ward won't fight outside of Oakland, conversation over.

 

I don't blame him for not wanting to fight Ward. There is no point, the 1st fight was conclusive enough and there is no reason to think there would be a different winner in a rematch.

I also don't blame Froch for wanting to cherry pick his last fight or retire just like I don't blame Calzaghe for fighting Jones or Martinez for fighting Cotto, Hopkins for fighting Shumenov, Juan Manuel Marquez for fighting Alvarado instead of Provodnikov and Lennox Lewis for retiring after he fought Vitali. I think when you are old, it is justified. I also think such tactics are justified when you are young. I wouldn't blame Eubabk Jr if he turned down Golovkin at this stage or Anthony Joshua if he turned down Wlad etc.

 

Fair point caballo, wards pissing his career away and money while he's at it.

I agree with that Gneus...you've got to build a fighter the right way. Plus froch is justified in what he does because he is old and he has had his fair share of challenges...his record stands anyway even if groves did beat him the other night. But what i m saying is it's tiring when they try to sell froch like he doesn't do it...with the warrior tag-line. I accept the warrior tag-line for in the ring but outside it can we say he didn't try to duck groves the secong time. Or stays away from faster fighters if he can help it. I fully understand why they do it...but can we say he happily takes on all comers or he prefers to fight guys with a style he deals with better.

 

I see what you're trying to say and I agree to an extent. Te warrior image is a bit overplayed in Froch's case but it's all about marketing, it's good to have an image

Inside the ring Froch has a warrior style and mentality and outside of the ring he is also a warrior but not necessarily any more so than most boxers. IMO most boxers are the same, for the most part they are not afraid and for the most part they try to make the smartest choices that are best for their careers with the opportunities they have.

 

The only way the Ward fight happens is if it comes to the UK, and that will never happen. It would not sell Stateside and its all about business. Ward cannot sell under Goossen, and to be frank he may be great but there is no way fFroch makes it competitive. Too good. Just a shame he is not with TP or Golden boy.

 

All boxers are warriors and Froch is one of the biggest warriors in boxing history,every fighter is nervous,trust me,,

 

it's a fight i'd like to see over here even though i'd favour ward again, but understand why he'd want chavez jr next.

 

If he wants one last fight in Vegas before retiring, Chavez Jr. is the right fight but he better train hard for it (and he does usually train hard) because it won't be a walk in the park.

As for bbjc saying Froch was forced to take fights, that's nonsense. The fact that he fought Groves twice in itself shows how open he is in fighting anyone, especially when you consider that there was very little to gain and a lot to lose in fighting someone like Groves.

 

Dont really see how there was very little to gain fighting someone like groves...would have had to reliquish his belt the first time and the second...also would have lost the majority of the british public the second time round plus a **** load of money, more than he would have made elsewhere.

We can kid on their's no basis to what i m saying but you'd have to tell some half truths for that to happen.

You said it shows how open he is to facing anyone and then he doesn't want to face ward. It's not really the truth what you've said. But however you cut it up carl froch is a warrior in the ring 100% he always has been...outside of it not how they're selling it.

True that fin...think gnaus hit the nail on the head...it is marketing. But because they sell it to you enough times it doesn't make what i m saying nonsense.

Well done carl froch...he is someone the british public should be proud of for his ring exploits...and thats all that really matters in the end.

 

Carl said the same about Groves - that he wasn't interested and he wanted Chavez in Vegas next...

... it was all a smoke screen.

Perhaps its degale or GGG next - maybe there is talks about ward too.

But Ward is still fighting the courts over his contract. He's on his third appeal now and spent tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees already and wont be fighting anytime soon.

 

So why keep banging on about him being a fraud ?