Boxing news article about james j jeffries.

Well, with the help of the whole of press row.

We won't even get into how he got cold****ed by the possibly the most skill-less heavyweight to fight for the title.

But, yeah, props to him making a recovery there in the dire situation in which he put himself.

Rectum? I barely knew him.

 

So how much did Jeffries have left for the Johnson fight?

The bottom line is that we don’t know, because it was literaly the only fight of his comeback, and it was against an all time great in his prime. When you loose to an all time great past your prime, there is always the question of whether it was because you were shot, or they were simply that good. Yes we can reasonably infer that he must have gone back, but we cannot quantify by how much.

In the case of the Ali of the Holmes fight for example, we have the Berbick fight as a yardstick to measure it against. In the case of the Dempsey Tunney fights, we have the Sharkey fight as a yardstick, and so forth. If Jeffries had taken a tune up, or been tempted back into the ring for one last payday agaisnt Luther MCCarthy, we would have a much better idea!

 

Regarding the Ali comeback fights it isnt that simple,Ali was taking
mis-prescribed medication to lose weight prior to the Holmes fight that could have actually killed him.
He was in better shape against Berbick, medically and physically but simply had nothing to hurt Berbick with, he pushed his right hand like a girl .

McCarty was 18 years old when Jeffries climbed into the ring to face Johnson, he did not turn pro till 1911 a year after their fight:huh
It was at the end of 1912 when McCarty posted wins over name opponents .
Willard had beaten no one , Kaufman was relegated to sparring partner status, and Flynn was absolutely hammered that year by Johnson. Jeffries would have been 39 by then. I think that fight would have ensured he was permanently out of the equation as far as anyone's top 20 was concerned!

Post Johnson I think any reasonably decent heavyweight would have trounced Jeffries he took a sustained beating from Johnson and both his confidence and unbeatable aura were shattered beyond repair.

 

Firpo was crude but hit hard enough to drop anyone.

Dempsey went into hospital after that fight to have an operation to have an anal fissure repaired ,a direct result of that fight. He reacted instinctively when he was under pressure,punch,punch, punch ,and keep on punching !
S ,you are slipping first Patterson misdiagnosed , now Dempsey.
Maybe you need to lay off the firewater?

 

" Had he not absorbed quite the punishment that he did in the first"? There's no argument here, he did, and the punishment rendered him incapable of mounting a winning fight afterwards and that's that.
End of.

Wiillard would always be cannon fodder for Dempsey because Jack feasted on huge, slow moving men.

 

A great champion who is shot, will often still have enough left to beat a decent contender, who ends up as a footnote.

We have to toy with the idea, that Jeffries might still have had that in him.

 

I dont think he had anything left except his courage.If I was Mendoza, I would say he was still a force ,because that would build up Johnson, the way Mendoza pretends Jackson was still a world class fighter when Jeffries massacred him. But the truth is he was gone ,as Fitz was when Johnson stopped him.

 

Was he a Dempsey or old Foreman case, or was he a Peter Jackson case?

I think the question is up in the air!

 

We can say he was without question a shell of the man he was in his prime .. the reasons are obvious. Debating them diminishes your own seriousness on the matter.

 

Accepting any idea/concept without questioning it, diminishes your seriousness!

For gods sake, we are here to test ideas about boxing history!

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I'm pretty sure I hit hard enough to drop anyone given the opportunity… but I don't have the skill to do it against world class heavies. And off the top of my head, I can't name a less skilled heavy I have seen on film than Firpo… And Dempsey is a close second if just given the footage of him coming out for that fight. He was atrocious.

No, I have diagnosed correctly this Mr. Dempsey. All Hat, No Cattle.

 

Yes but not regurgitate the obvious ..

 

Where did you read that ? I've heard time and again he hurt himself but thats pretty specific ..