The Difference in "levels" between TRULY elite Cotto, vs soccer player Sergio...

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  1. Blackness

    Blackness Danny Garcia Beat You... Full Member

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    THIS is why Sergio wound up on his ass, dazed and confused. His knee was fine, his chin was not. If you are not sharp enough, you will run out and buy Sergio posters after watching Sergio beat your Chavez Jr's, Murrays (he lost to Murray) and Cintrons of the game. A more astute analyst recognizes the levels in this game and quickly understands that the quality of oppenents, can make a cyclist like Sergio, complete with his Roy Jones act, look the greatest of all time. That is of course, until he meets a born and bred Puerto Rican pit bull. A fighter like Cotto who has been doing this his entire life...A guy underrated by a few questionable losses to some curious opponents * I called it from the very beginning. Cotto's skills and true boxing I.Q. would make the difference. No hands at his sides, no hyped up "speed" against slow plodders, No. Cotto's speed, however deceptive was present when Mosley came to town. Cotto did not need to look like Sugar Ray against guys like Chavez who trained for only 5 days. Some of you guys fell for the hype and it is never too late to jump off that wagon. That wagon just so you know, is heading for a soccer field somewhere in Spain. Resume's don't lie... Get your mind back son. Cotto > Sergio at ANY time in their careers.
     
  2. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    Does the fact that hes nearly 40 not factor into analysis at all??
     
  3. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your fighter beat a one legged gimp. I hope that makes you proud. The fact is, any legit 154 and 160 fighter beats that version of Sergio. You take away one leg of any fighter, even Floyd and Pac, and they lose to most elite fighters in their weight class. You just can't expect anyone to win fights without one leg. I just don't understand how Cotto groupies like yourself can't see the obvious fact that Sergio was fighting with one leg and still try to legitimize the win.
     
  4. Blackness

    Blackness Danny Garcia Beat You... Full Member

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    I covered this already. You should read it one more time.


    "Cotto > Sergio at ANY point in their careers..."


    We have to keep Sergio's opposition in mind. His resume is stacked with Drunks, chubby undedicated hype jobs. I would say Williams is the best fighter on his resume and let's be sincere here, Williams while rising, had not yet hit that level. Sergio was athletic for sure, but to compete at a truly world class level, is a whole other game.
     
  5. Txomo

    Txomo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Stop this please... father time beat Martinez... Cotto was simply there for the picking.

    Are not limping champions at SMW for Cotto to get the 5th division belt? How are Abraham's knees?
     
  6. Blackness

    Blackness Danny Garcia Beat You... Full Member

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    Son, I am not basing my take on last Saturdays obliteration of the soccer kid. I called it for the past few years on various boxing sites. What about Sergio's resume, do you REALLY think was going to trouble Cotto other than his obvious size advantage? Look at his victim list...What, the Paul Williams haymaker KO ? You have to dig deeper and ask yourself:

    "Does a soccer player named Sergio, seriously get to pick boxing as a hobby and truly compete on a world class stage?" Again, I am not talking about looking like Roy Jones against Chavez (John Ruiz) Jr. I am talking about world class opposition. I am not talking about Rehab Pavlik with a staph infection and SERIOUS mental issues during the fight. I am talking "world class" son. Think...
     
  7. Blackness

    Blackness Danny Garcia Beat You... Full Member

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    Show me WHERE during the fight instruction (sergio bouncing like a kid) or during the first half minute prior to being tagged by Cotto, does Sergio look like he is limping? Admit it, you are seeing what YOU want to see. Anything to take credit away from Cotto because he is not from Texas, California or Arizona. We see you hater ;)

    Sergio and Dibella know they got rocked. It's time you let it go and understand that Sergio got clocked and never recovered.


    Kids acting like when a fighter gets caught cold, his legs are the last thing to go????
     
  8. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There is a huge difference between simply hoping up and down and fully planting and exploding/pivoting off that foot. Two completely different levels of pressure/stress on that leg. And not being able to do that affects everything you do in boxing cause it all starts with your legs. Without them, you are a sitting duck.
     
  9. Blackness

    Blackness Danny Garcia Beat You... Full Member

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    ... What Sergio HAD was a SMALL tear. You are trying to act like he had a blown knee. You have football players who have that issue and are back on the field in NO time.

    The only thing I will grant Sergio was his age... But as I said in my initial post, Sergio was NEVER ready for Cotto. Did he have bad knees when Margarito (minus plaster) KO'd him a decade ago? No. He had that chin problem though. The chin problem where if he faces anyone with some real skill or at least a WILL to train, is always a liability for Sergio.


    Chavez Jr?
    Pavlik?
    Murray?
    Williams?


    Let it go. You got taken for a ride on the Sergio Express and that train came off the rails. Let it go.
     
  10. Blackness

    Blackness Danny Garcia Beat You... Full Member

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    Have a good day. Sorry Puerto Rico broke your hating peasant hearts.




    Now deal with it. Let those big ass ten foot guitars and trumpets cry into the desert night.

    "aye aye aye!!!"


    " Me dejaron sin ganas de vivir... El monstro de Caguas me iso gritar contra la luna...."
     
  11. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I disagree. You're viewpoint is too one sided and you are not giving Sergio enough credit. Yeah, it is true that certain fighters who can box well can expose weaknesses in Sergio's unorthodox style. But that doesn't means he wasn't a very good fighter who beat a lot of elite fighters. Everyone has a certain style they struggle against.

    When Sergio moved up to MW, no one expected much from him. But he had a pretty good run and you can't take that away from him. Outside of GGG, he fought the best available fighters.
     
  12. puncherschance

    puncherschance Boxing Addict Full Member

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    the difference in levels is that sergio was fighting on one leg. a strong wind would have knocked him down.
     
  13. Blackness

    Blackness Danny Garcia Beat You... Full Member

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    Not a strong wind, a Cotto hook. Sharp, accurate and right on the button.
     
  14. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Martinez was 5 years younger with healthy knees he would have beaten Cotto to a bloody pulp. Cotto just came at the right time, he's not the better fighter.
     
  15. Blackness

    Blackness Danny Garcia Beat You... Full Member

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    You base this on what? A victory over Cintron? Sergio's loss to Margarito? A haymaker on Williams? What exactly causes you to think that Sergio beats Cotto 5 years ago?