Why is Leonard ranked #2 welter?

At least on this forum despite his underwhelmingly short time as champion

I think the reason is becuz his fans have put in such a good word and plus the fact ESBers cant think for themselves, no on really questions it

but is he really number two behind Robinson?

It's hard to argue that Napoles is really the number two man becuz his merits outshine Leonard's and his success as champion is actually greater than Robinson himself but overall, Robinson must be ranked first

based on merits i have Robinson first Napoles second and Leonard third (mostly becuz there's nothing much else competing for lower positions)

 

how can he be a top five welter beating Randy Shields, unknown Luis Primera, & Pablo Baez, who was outside the top ten, in a bout that couldnt be sanctioned by the WBA until given an emergency top 10 ranking

I'm sure Curtis Cokes had AT LEAST as much going for him as Wilfred Benitez at the time

PS: Duran was a lightweight with only 6 bouts as a welter

 

You have no proof head to head. you have to throw that out

you have to PROVE he was better, and you arent able to do that. How are you going to sell someone that your fighter is better just becuz YOU like him?

INSISTING someone is superior without the merits, can be refuted. it's like yelling out your opinion "CUZ I SAID SO!!!"

nobody cares

to be fair and objective, tell why opponents of Napoles rank less than that of Leonard's

from what Ive seen, Napoles fought harder in fights than Leonard. you could even see it in his losing fight with Backus

and those numbers you brought up 5-1-1 with 3 knockouts, two of those werent actually knockouts. Ref Padilla stopped it in the 15th prematurely, I thought everybody knew that

and the Duran fight, he sure didnt stop Duran with his fists!

so really, you have to throw those out

and two others, Hagler & the return bout with Hearns, are so close, they could have easily be tipped in the other man's favor

It seems that no matter how hard leonard tried, something always took the lustre off those wins. Not so with Napoles who won in devestating fashion.

Napoles is clearly the better welterweight

btw, officially, Leonard is 5-3-1 against name fighters and has been knocked out clean (also knocked out in a sparring session prior to the Hagler bout)

 

is that the strength of your argument?

we're comparing Leonard with napoles, not Charles with other light heavies which somehow means less is more with Leonard?

Charles has nothing to do with this discussion and by you bringing him into it trying to somehow bolster Leonard's standing, just tells me you have a weak case

I believe Leonard is one of the standouts of his divisions, but Napoles was the Secretariat of all welters. And while Leonard was no Napoles, I believe he is deserving of his number three standing, mostly becuz there's not much else out there