Better Legacy; Rahman or Ruiz?

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  1. shanahan14

    shanahan14 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Try to be objective here, trust me I hate Ruiz just as much as the next guy but who do you think ranks higher?

    Rahman: 50-9-2-1
    - 2x HW champion (2nd time was interim then elevated)
    - Colossal KO upset of Lewis
    - Challenged for the HW title an additional 2 times
    - Fought the likes of Wlad, Lewis, Holyfield, Tua x2, Toney, Povetkin, Ruiz, Sanders, Maskaev.

    Ruiz: 44-9-1-1
    - 2x HW champion (2nd time was interim then elevated) just like Rahman
    - Went 1-1-1 against Holyfield
    - Beat Rahman head to head (UD)
    - Fought Holyfield, Tua, Valuev x2, Haye, RJJ, Chagaev,
     
  2. damian38

    damian38 BigDramaShow Full Member

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    Ruiz beat the likes of a shot Tucker, Rahman, Golota or Johnson

    Rahman, other than upsetting Lewis, lost every time he stepped up
     
  3. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Ruiz easily, Rahman was ****.
     
  4. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ruiz. Lennox dropped a belt to not fight him.
     
  5. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie

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    Ruiz beat Rahman clearly.

    Ruiz best wins are: old Holyfield, Kirk Johnson, Golota, McCline, Rahman, Oquendo, old Tucker.

    Rahman best wins are: Lewis, Sanders, Kali Meehan, Barrett, Sullivan

    Ruiz arguably beat Valuev twice

    Rahman arguably beat Tua in the rematch

    I think Rahman was more talented, but Ruiz has to be higher based on resume and his win in actual fight vs Rahman.
     
  6. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Ruiz is a zero-time heavyweight champion. Rahman is a one-time heavyweight champion.
     
  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    If we are getting technical with our word choice, one could argue a difference between "legacy" and "resume," indicating that "legacy" has more to do with perception and fame.

    In that case, Rahman has the much greater legacy. For everyone now until forever who reads up on and learns the lineal heavyweight championship, they can't do it without reading his name. He dethroned a great HW champion with an epic KO.

    Ruiz really can't touch him in this department. His legacy is being a titlist and having a trilogy with an old Holyfield. If you want to analyze "resume," then I'd sure like to sit down and really look at it but off the top of my head I'm guessing Rahman takes that too easily.
     
  8. Tonifranz

    Tonifranz Active Member Full Member

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    Rahman, for the same reason that Buster Douglas has a greater legacy than Ruiz.

    Whenever people argue about Lennox Lewis, two names always comes up. McCall and Rahman.

    That is greater than anything Ruiz ever did.
     
  9. GoodOldBoy

    GoodOldBoy Active Member Full Member

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    This is very true.
     
  10. Tancred

    Tancred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ruiz it's not really that close
     
  11. El-blanco

    El-blanco Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Rahman. He clocked Lennox, nuff said.
     
  12. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    both were terrible and shouldnt have been champs
     
  13. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I liked and admired both guys for not having the most skilled tools in their arsenal.

    That said, gotta go with Rahman. Ruiz was much more limited, but trained harder. Had Rahman had Ruiz' work ethic, he would have been that much better.

    Rahman beat Lewis and Sanders and should have had at least one win over Tua. Those 3 alone shatter any wins Ruiz had.

    Gotta go with Rahman.
     
  14. TheGOAT

    TheGOAT The Champ is Here ! banned

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    Rock - he's shattered to pieces now but for legacy purposes his name will be remembered much more than Ruiz. Ruiz style was boring yet effective. There are several losses on Rock's career that easily should of been wins (Tua, Toney). Could of been so much better.
     
  15. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Ruiz was NEVER a Heavyweight Champion. He was a trinket beltholder. Rahman was THE Heavyweight Champion. His lone win over Lennox shits on anything Ruiz did. Ruiz is the only Heavyweight 'champion' to lose to not 1 but 2 former Middleweights. Think about how awful that is for a minute.

    Also, the Ruiz-Rahman 'fight' (if you even want to call it that) was one of the worst I have ever seen