Willie Pep top 5 p4p of all time?

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    I have him in my top 3 all time
     
  2. The Long Count

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    Bert Sugar places him 3rd. I don't have him that high but certaintly top 10.
     
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    What were his 3, or better yet, 5 best wins? And what was his score against his best opponent?
     
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    Its certainly arguable.I would probably go for ;

    Robinson
    Greb
    Armstrong
    In no order.


    ps. Should Pep be above Benny Leonard ? Not for me.
     
  6. I Know Everythi

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    Chalky Wright x3-4
    Sandy Saddler
    Phil Terranova
    Manuel Ortiz
    Jackie Wilson

    were some of his best wins
     
  7. Bummy Davis

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    I have him right under SRR but he has a case for #1, most people only know the Saddler fights but they dont realize that was after the plane crash. Still in one battle he totally outclassed Saddler but they were prone to the rough and dirty stuff

    Pep was amazing

    Greb
    Benny Leonard

    Armstrong

    Duran
     
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    Did not make my top ten, sadly. I didn't feel good about it at all.
     
  9. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    dissapointing. can i see ur top 10
     
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    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think as a Heavyweight at 188lbs Marciano and Langford could fit in somewhere as well as Fitz but the rest are the lower weight class. Ezzard also fits in high top 10 and IMO his best work was between 168- 190lbs
     
  13. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Good List Mcgrain. Can't agree with you on Fitzsimmons placement. In my opinion, he fought in an era where boxing technique was still underdeveloped, and transitioning from the bareknuckle era. The way those guys fought in Fitz day, they would get eaten alive by fighters 1940 and on. Also I don't like the way he kept his hands low by his waist, with no upperbody movement, and his defense consisted of blocking and leaning back to avoid being hit.
     
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    Head to head you may be right, though I think Fitz's style may be so weird it might translate a little better than you think - but in terms of p4p peer to peer and punch to punch he's there or thereabouts I think. Which is to say he was absolutely the greatest fighter, pound-for-pound of his own era.
     
  15. Senya13

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    Which list of 5 best wins sounds better, the above or this one (random pick of an ATG)?
    Johnny Dundee
    Sid Terris
    Jackie Fields
    Jimmy McLarnin
    Tony Canzoneri

    *missing the cut are at least three IBHoF-ers