What was all the fuss about mike Tyson ?

Tyson came at right time and right place! IMO

I also think 80's was kinda time where all modern era started mobile phones advanced television ect. Media world was getting bigger and Tyson came right at that time he was well documented they showed footage of him from when he was 15 years old.

Basically he was what we call now a hype job but he backed everything up and destroyed every top fighter and was undisputed king.

And people like drama like when cuss died they said lets do it for cuss and won titles, then again when he split with rooney another drama.

Then becoming villain and not training, being dropped in sparing by page and then ko'd by douglas. going to prison coming back ect. it is like real life WWF. Also they allways had that what if story as he was so great under Cuss and Rooney.


In the end I will say something most will not agree but here it goes Douglas that won against Tyson was no better than Tyrell Biggs it had more to do with Tyson not training right.

 

What people seem to forget is a) Douglas was a genuinekly good fighter, just very lazy

b) Douglas was on a good run before facing Tyson, he was beating Tucker, beat Mcall and Berbick.

c) Tyson begged Douglas for a rematch in a face to face interview that they did straight after the fight, its on youtube and about an hour long. Tyson begged and pleaded with Douglas, douglas never once offered a rematch

d) Instead of giving Tyson a rematch, Douglas fought Holyfield instead.

e) Instead of giving Tyson a title shot, or facing the dangerous and number 1 contender (or number 2) Razor Ruddock, Holyfield opted to face Old Foreman, who up until that point, had done nothing in his return apart from beat up bums.

Tyson lost his title at the start of '90, yet by the end of 91, nearly 2 years later, he was still nowhere near in getting a title shot, why? Despite being probably the best heavyweight in the world?

 

The Douglas that fought that night in tokyo was a great heavyweight. Truly a 'one out of the box' performance.

 

To some extent this is true, Douglas no different than the other guys Tyson was knocking out. However, Tyson was a small guy in a big guys division, he couldnt just afford to rest on his laurels and allow himself to get lazy. Which is what he did.

The fight in Tokyo was a mixture of things. Douglas looked so good because Tyson looked so poor and Tyson looked poor because Douglas looked good.

 

Which was basically what I was trying to say, & it was hardly a secret. Not sure what this guys arguing about. atsch

 

thats my point! Of curse Douglas was motivated but Tyson was very bad in that fight and lethargic. Aside form 8th round i think he bearly won one round. As i remember he just came close and didn't punch in first 2 rounds douglas didn't know what to do as he was still intimidated beut then he started to hit tyson all the time and rest is history!

 

Reports are Tyson had been clubbing until 4 in the morning and having orgies with lots of japanese hookers.

If you look at some of the clips of Tyson getting off the airplane in Tokyo etc, you can tell he looks fat.

The other thing is, Bill Cayton stated that he felt Tyson starved himself to make weight. Tysons own autobiography says he was living on just soup and salad to bring his weight back down.

Cayton said, Although heavyweights dont have to make weight, Cus always warned Tyson about coming into a fight gross or out of shape. Cayton said this is why he felt Tyson starved himself into weakness in order to still look like hes in good shape.

But its blatantly obvious in the fight, Tyson looked severly sloppy like his punches had no power or steam on them.

 

sad people living like thy know what it is like to face a guy who could tear tour head off. I wish we could all just realose what talent is sometimes. Ir comes in all shapes and sizes, all the fighters you listed had what it takes to get mentioned so many years later, even in this disrespectful, keyboard warrior era..good

 

Yes, that's what the debate is about, assuming the participant uses logical explanations and knows how to back his arguments, not if he just jumps in, trying to discredit everyone who thinks differently, without being able to properly participate the debate in the first place. Sorry, but those kind of posters aren't worth debating with.

 

Douglas gave Tyson a beatdown from round 1 on. Tyson was done after round 1 against Lewis when he took 3 uppercuts to the head in a row. Holyfield beat him down from round 1 using a dirty spoiling gameplan . Why even bring up Macbride and Williams. Do you really believe they stood a chance against prime 80's Tyson?

The way to beat Tyson was to get him under prepared or use a gameplan. There is no point in Tysons career to suggest all you needed to beat him was to get past the first 5 rounds.
Its a myth parroted from one Tyson hater to the other over the years.

 

Firstly when did i just jump in and secondly where did i discredit anyone?

 

To be fair he never fell apart against Tucker, Mitch Green or Bonecrusher.

 

I remember back then in the 80's when everybody was watching HBO on their brick phones that hadn't even got a screen:nut

 

Erm, no not really. Tyson is rightfully regarded as one of the greatest heavyweights ever, by people more knowledgable than you for a start.

When he was at his peak, this was exactly the case

Sorry, why are you on purposely making stuff up?

i didnt even acknowledge you on this thread, was it not you who initially replied to my post?