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Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Smithson, Jun 28, 2014.


  1. Smithson

    Smithson Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah think it's what I'm going to try mate and I think it will work for me also, out of curiosity how many rest days do you have in a week? Only thing that worrys me is not resting enough I know how important it is. By the way my new training schedule looks its looking like I'm going to have just the weekends off sat n sun n possibly Thursday evening. Might be tough but not got a fight till the end of September so plenty of time for my body to adjust
     
  2. pecho26

    pecho26 ESB Lurker Full Member

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    Your coaches are really misinformed. It may be good for ****ing your knees up.
     
  3. Smithson

    Smithson Active Member Full Member

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    It's not that they are misinformed they just believe in the older methods, they believe in 3 main aspects of training roadwork,bag or mitt work and sparring they believe you do these 3 things correctly and enough and you will become a better boxer.
     
  4. LongJab

    LongJab Active Member Full Member

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    And remember, get COMFORTABLE in the ring. Learning to stay relaxed is critical. This is done through sparring.

    Having a great "aerobic base" won't do **** for you if you can't relax and stay loose and manage your energy.

    It's like those track guys who start boxing. They might be able to run 26 miles or sprint 400m but after a round or two of actual BOXING they're done!

    This may or not apply to OP. just in general.

    Just my opinion of course.
     
  5. Smithson

    Smithson Active Member Full Member

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    Staying relaxed is definitely something I need to work on iv only had 3 fights won 2 lost 1 but all three of my fights iv faced guys who just come at me at 100mph and the nerves have got to me a little. I'm hoping the more fights I have the calmer il be in there
     
  6. Speechless

    Speechless Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Rest days, 1 or 2 is all you need. I only get 1 rest day. And some weeks I use that day to lift weights (mostly for aesthetics......curls for the girls...lol)

    And I wouldn't say coaches who insist on roadwork are "misinformed". I think they have a good reasoning to think roadwork is good. Because, simply....it is...
    Now where people go wrong is assuming that roadwork is the ONLY aerobic conditioning that people should be doing. There are many other things people can do, especially if they are concerned about their knees.
     
  7. dealt_with

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    What was the 'high intensity conditioning' you were doing? That makes no physiological sense that slow aerobic work would improve fast oxygen kinetics. There are other factors you are overlooking.
     
  8. Scorpion

    Scorpion Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ^^ i think the mental/ placebo side might also have an effect on certain fighters.
     
  9. Speechless

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    Maybe "slow-steady" is the wrong terminology. I usually do my roadwork at a moderate pace, i.e. 5km in about 21 min, or the treadmill using a hill program. So definitely not a slow & relaxed jog. I do work hard and breathe fast. Just at a slower and steadier pace than the intense intervals.

    My HIIT programs consist of circuits (mixed) involving stuff like battle ropes, box jumps, box jump burpees, loads of other plyo, weighted jump squats, jump lunges - you name it.

    So for clarification, my roadwork is not exactly a slow and steady jog.
     
  10. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    There you have it, you did circuit training. At best you can hope that you maintain fitness doing that. It simply doesn't place the same demands on your cardiovascular system, your heart rate goes right up but oxygen demands don't. If you did high intensity sprints or cycling you would've improved your central fitness, by doing circuit training you likely improved peripheral factors while decreasing your actual fitness if you were already fit.
    Circuit training/crossfit is fine in a general preparation phase but to think it can get you in proper athletic shape leading up to competition is a big mistake and reflects a poor understanding of human physiology. I cringe when I see guys like Korobov, Guerrero etc. doing crossfit/circuit training as the primary method to get them in shape for a fight.
    Just a tip, leave your plyos as part of strength training, and not a part of conditioning. You're lucky to escape uninjured, and doing plyos in a fatigued state is largely pointless, and is going to down regulate the neuromuscular responses plyos are designed to improve.
     
  11. Smithson

    Smithson Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah I'm hoping to be ok with having the full weekend off each week after training twice mon to fri
     
  12. rampant

    rampant Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why does everyone always refer to running / roadwork?

    Why not cycling, swimming, or if you are doing high intensity training aswell surely you wont gas?

    I'm not a boxer, just for info!
     
  13. Speechless

    Speechless Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ya, I learned the hard way why this doesn't work - by losing a fight.
    Thanks for the advice - i'll keep that in mind re. plyos.
     
  14. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Is everybody here referring to 'high intensity training' as something different from cycling, running etc.?

    Running, cycling, swimming uses the amount of muscle mass in that order. That's why running is always going to be the best value for general fitness.
     
  15. rampant

    rampant Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Is anyone referring to it as High Intensity?

    High intensity I was referring to bodyweight calasthetics (whatever) you call it incorporated with cardio, squat jumps, box jumps, skipping, mountain climbers, bench jumps, etc.


    Roadwork is seperate but could also be high intensity, but you could do swimming or cycling same as roadwork.

    But like alot of your responses you like to try and be a smart ass. :good