Why did Marciano Choose to defend against Charles than Valdez ?

And within months of that, Valdes stopped Sys (who hadn't been stopped in 130 pro fights) and he destroyed Hurricane Jackson, and he became the number-one contender according to everyone - RING, N.B.A. and the guy the I.B.C. wanted Marciano to fight.

But you know that. So why did you post that link when, only a few months later, everyone had changed their minds?

Marciano was supposed to fight Valdes, all the boxing ratings and governing bodies and Marciano's promoter wanted him to fight Valdes ... and Al weill signed to fight Don ****ell instead and insisted Valdes fight Moore first.

They ducked Nino Valdes. They didn't duck anyone else in his reign, but they ducked Nino Valdes.

Whether you believe he would've beaten Nino Valdes is irrelevent, because they not only made no effort to fight him, they avoided fighting him.This whole argument is based on you guys thinking Marciano would've won against Valdes. The facts are Al Weill wasn't confident enough to fight Valdes and find out.

They thought he was a big enough threat that he was the ONLY number-one contender THEY DUCKED.

Simple as that.

It's all there.

 

What the hell is going on around here? Is Valdes the "new" Quarry on this forum? Valdez was nothing special. Good, far from great, and no amount of revision is gonna change that. Loses to Marciano by KO.

 

Apparent valdes was some kind of skilled powerful big heavyweight who demolished every small heavyweight he faced...therefore Marciano ducked him.

 

Once again, you don't think Valdes would beat Marciano, so therefore you think Weill didn't duck him.

When did Marciano's camp make any effort to defend against the number-one contender (and logical/mandatory) Nino Valdes in late 1954/early 1955?

Where are the articles that say they made an offer to Valdes, and he turned it down in late 1954/1955?

Where are the articles saying Weill was trying to make that fight in late 1954/1955, but all the ratings bodies and the boxing organizations kept blocking it?

You're the guy with all the links. Post some of those. We'd all love to see them.

 

Don't know if this helps. http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...WBIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=sQQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4496,1820087

 

Archie Moore was calling for a shot at Marciano for as long as Nino Valdez had a rating. The whole time Nino was in line for a shot Archie could say he already beat Valdes, which was true. He also beat Baker and Johnson (both by KO) and the IBC still made Archie beat Nino "one more time" before he could get in line for a shot at Rocky. Not only that but the IBC then insisted Moore drop 20lb right after the valdes fight to face middleweight bobo Olsen in defence of his lightheavyweight crown before he took on Rocky.

Bottom line, Archie Moore always had a greater argument than Nino Valdes had for a shot at Rocky. He was the better fighter.

 

Harold Johnson was probably more deserving of a title shot than was Valdes, as was Archie Moore, who was better than both Johnson and Valdes. Fact is that Charles was more marketable - he was a former world heavyweight champion who had beaten guys like Louis, Moore, Walcott, Bivins, Ray, Maxim. He had made eight successful title defenses as champion. That's history and respect that cannot be ignored, and was not by fans and promoters, who back then did not begrudge a guy because he had some losses mixed in. The overall resume of Charles was far superior to Valdes. Although Valdes had beaten Charles, the fact that he also lost to Moore and Johnson, and even guys like Bob Baker and Billy Gilliam, hurt him, so in a close call, promoters are going to go with the guy with the bigger name.

 

Magoo,

Correct me if I am wrong. Al Weill basically says here "Valdes and ****ell both will get their chance. I prefer Valdes for a february bout in Miami because we will get the cuban trade."

So then how is Weill ducking Valdes?

 

It helps a lot.

So all the organizations and Ring Magazine had Valdes number one.

Your link shows various sites were offering Weill hundreds of thousands of dollars for Marciano to fight Valdes at their arena.

And Weill DIDN'T accept any of those offers ... he didn't listen to any of the organizations or ratings bodies who said Valdes was up next ... he didn't even do what he said he was going to do and fight Valdes next.

Instead, he chose ****ell.

Weill sure went WAY out of his way to not make that Valdes fight. The only one blocking Marciano-Valdes was Al Weill.

Facts are facts.

 

This content is protected

The truth is that Marciano is practically the only heavyweight champion in history, who fought the #1 more often than not!

This content is protected

 

What do you mean "clutching at straws."

If everything was in alignment for Marciano to fight Valdes - from all the organizations, ratings, mandatory designation, fan interest, offers coming in from locations ... everyone wanted and expected Marciano-Valdes next.

So why didn't Marciano fight him?

Nothing was preventing that fight from happening ... except Rocky Marciano's manager.

Weill turned down the request of the president of the I.B.C. Weill ignored the N.B.A. "logical contender" (mandatory) designation. Weill ignored the N.B.A. and Ring Magazine, who had Valdes #1. Weill turned down offers from Manilla, Las Vegas, San Franciso to stage Marciano-Valdes.

HE - AL WEILL - simply didn't want Marciano to fight Valdes.

That's not grasping at straws. Weill was the only one who didn't want it, so it didn't happen.