Why did Marciano Choose to defend against Charles than Valdez ?

For the record, Marciano is the gold standard among heavyweight champions, in terms of fighting the #1 contender.

There are guys like Max Baer, who only ever fought the #1 contender, whose contenders have a higher average ranking, simply because their title reigns were brief.

Among the champions who held the title for a significant number of defences, nobody even comes close to Marciano in terms of the average ranking of their challengers.

Against that background, I am going to require a significant standard of proof, for Marciano ducking Valdez!

 

Everything was not in alignment.

There were other people with claims for a title fight.

 

That's what it basically says. There's also something in there about Rocky having to take time off by doctor's orders because of the nose injury.

 

Marciano certainly did fight all his number-one contenders ... except for Nino Valdes.

That particular number-one contender, his manager Al Weill had no interest in fighting.

He said Marciano would fight him, offers were pouring in from locations wanting to stage it, the head of the organizations all wanted it, and Weill turned them all down.

I've explained everything ad nauseum over the past five pages.

I don't think it's fair if I copy and paste it again. It's all there.

The fact is Marciano didn't fight Nino Valdes - who was rated #1 by everyone and was named the only logical contender - because Al Weill didn't want Marciano fighting him.

If you cut through all the smokescreens and arguments, the only reason they didn't fight is Al Weill said no ... when every one else wanted to see it.

That's it.

 

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For the record, I cannot assert that Marciano was not avoiding Valdez, because that would be trying to assert a negative.

I can say that the burden of proof has not been met however.

 

Had Valdes been able to maintain a degree of consistency at the top level he would surely have gotten a title fight.

Rocky is clearly a huge favourite at any point to have won. The win would be significant then because he clears out a division, it would be significant now because hypothetical matched would have a more reliable piece of the puzzle.

Moore was always a more deserving challenger than Valdes, some other fighters might not have been. But only on one fight did Rocky not face the highest ranked available fighter. That suggests had Valdes kept winning, he would have received his shot.

 

DubbleChin,


Admit you were wrong, and Valdes-Moore II was a fair decision.

 

How do I know it was a fair decision? I didn't see it. Neither did you.

I thought Algieri beat Provodnikov. Everyone with a microphone said Algieri didn't. One judge even said he lost by eight rounds.

But two other judges said Algieri won, and now he's the champ.

Regardless, Valdes never should've had to fight Moore for the right to fight Marciano.

Valdes was up next after Charles. Valdes was the universal number-one contender. Weill said they'd fight Valdes next.

And then Weill turned down all offers to fight Valdes and fought ****ell instead.


I can't recall another time in boxing history where the mandatory number-one contender was not only bypassed but was "forced" BY THE CHAMP'S MANAGER to fight someone who wasn't even ranked in the top 10 in order to get a title shot ...

And then the number-one contender lost his shot when ONE SOLE JUDGE ...who admitted publicly he didn't like that fighter ... got to decide who won and voted against him.

And, on top of it, the fight wasn't filmed, it wasn't shown on television, so no from the outside could dispute it.

That situation was about as "dirty" as it could possibly get.

If Valdes was so easy to beat, Marciano should've fought him. The ****ell fight was a complete bust. They sold half as many tickets as they thought and made half the gate they thought they would.

If they wanted to stage an "eliminator" ... Marciano should've fought his number-one contender Valdes first ... and ****ell and Moore should've fought to see who got the winner.

That made more sense than fighting the number-two guy.

They ducked Valdes.

 

Valdes was consistent. for two years after he defeated the number-one contender Ezzard Charles, he climbed the ratings until he got to number one himself. And when he was number one, while waiting for his title shot, he fought two more times, scoring two knockouts.

He was the logical/mandatory, universally ranked number-one contender.

Venues were sending offers to Al Weill to host Marciano-Valdes. The president of the I.B.C. was scheduling meetings with Weill to press him to make Marciano-Valdes.

And, after saying he would, Al Weill turned right around and made a fight with Marciano and the Brit instead.

Why did Rocky fight all his number one contenders except Valdes?

He fought all his number ones before Valdes, and he fought one number one AFTER Valdes, but he didn't fight Valdes.

Why did he take that moment - when Valdes was number one - to fight a lesser opponent in Don ****ell?

Was it because Rocky's nose was injured and they were afraid Valdes would be more likely to re-injure it.

That makes sense to me. Then again, that also would mean that they ducked Valdes and chose ****ell because he'd be an easier, less dangerous opponent.

And nobody on this thread will ever admit to that in a million years.

So we have to go thru all this nonsense that's been taking place.

Bottom line is, if they weren't afraid of Valdes, why didn't they just fight him (like they said they would)?

And if Archie Moore wanted a shot, too, why not make Don ****ell fight Archie Moore to decide who would be the next top contender?

All the organizations agreed Valdes has already earned his number-one ranking. Don hadn't.

But instead of talking about that, people won't even admit Weill was the only one standing in the way of Marciano-Valdes.

 

Could DubbleChin be Revolver? Anyone remember him?

 

Big Bad Nino Valdes got his ass whipped twice by a 38 year old light-heavyweight. If Valdes was a devastating fighter like you think, he would have knocked out Archie Moore. Instead, Marciano pounded the **** out of Moore while Valdes sat ringside watching the massacre. Valdes must have **** himself watching Marciano go to work in round 6.

 

"I didn't see it"

But you have spent post after post blathering on about why you think it was a bad decision.

I wouldn't question the Valdes-Charles decision, as I haven't seen a film of that fight, but it was actually every bit as close in that if you change a couple of rounds, Charles wins a split decision. Change one round and it is a draw. Changing one round would not make the Moore-Valdes II fight a draw.

Also, Valdes could have still stayed up there with a win over Satterfield, but lost badly and that one is on film.

Personally, I just accept that the officials were correct, and there has been no evidence produced that they were not.