Behind Floyd, who is TSBE (The Second Best Ever)?

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  1. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    It goes without question that Floyd is TBE (The Best Ever)

    I know a lot of you don't want to admit this, but his record speaks for itself.

    The real question is, who is the Second Best Ever at avoiding fights and/or stacking the deck in their favor against opponents (IE, Paying Maidana off for gloves, Paying Marquez off for coming in over the agreed weight, refusing to fight anywhere but his hometown, making extra stipulations, picking the referee, etc)?

    I would have to say Andre Ward is TSBE. Only fighter that refused to travel for the Super Six tourney, most fights are in his home town of Oakland with this referee and judges, dragging Dawson down to 168 for their fight, trying to call out a small Middleweight in the division below him (GGG) when he was talking a few years ago about moving up to LHW.

    It's a tough call, I guess. I mean, I was really having a difficult time thinking of a fighter with so many demands/stipulations other than Floyd, but none of them can even come close other than Ward.

    :think
     
  2. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Amazing that a man who ducks so many fights, was still able to put together such a fine resume.
     
  3. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    That's what I mean. He's truly TBE for his ability to get Marquee names and put them at serious disadvantages to ensure his continued health and safety.
     
  4. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To be honest, it sounds like you're describing Pac. THe names Oscar, Cotto, Margarito, Morales, Hatton, Clottey and Mosley look good on paper. But then when you take a closer look. And think about where they were in their careers, and the conditions he set to fight some of them. It's not really that impressive.
     
  5. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    :lol::lol:

    *****s love to praise Floyd for his "smart business" decisions, but in the same breath refuse to admit he's had the most risk-averse, carefully calculated career of any boxer in history.

    So is he a fighter making smart business decisions to prolong his health and career or has he legitimately faced all the challengers on an even playing field? It can't be both *****S. :lol:

    WHICH ONE IS IT, BRIAN KENNY?!? WHICH ONE IS IT??!?!
     
  6. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao and his clear cherry picking..... he is far lower than Floyd in the ATG rankings...
     
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    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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  8. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    No question Pacquiao has made some ridiculous stipulations of his own in the last 5 years (hardly anyone remembers the dickering over the 50-50 split with Hatton), but he's nowhere near Floyd or Ward's level.

    As an aside, has any other fighter in history refused to share PPV proceeds with his opponent?
     
  9. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Behind Floyd is Pacquiao & Ward.
     
  10. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Yet still not better than Manny's
     
  11. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    Yup, better than Manny's.

    He ranks ahead of Manny in the ATG list, everyone knows this. :deal
     
  12. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    OK, tell me how Floyd has cherry-picked. Almost all of his opponents have been champs or contenders. It's not his fault they just weren't on his level.

    He made Canelo, Marquez, Hatton, and Guerrero look like amateurs.
     
  13. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Only a select few believe such nonsense ! mostly *****s
     
  14. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Their resumes are comparable. No doubt, Pacquiao has an excellent resume. But both men should have asterisks next to certain opponents.
     
  15. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Agreed Manny's wins over Clotty and Cheato,Delahoya are big question marks but His wins over Morales and Barrera trump most of Floyd's resume !