Random drug testing by WHO?? Not the commission. From Floyd Mayweather who had no issue with any of his opponents being tested, until his big mouth father spoke up. Let's get this straight. Manny did not refuse to be tested. They just couldn't compromise on the cut off days. There's a difference. Manny wanted 24 days, and was happy to also provide after fight tests of blood and urine. There was no reason for Floyd not to accept, if he'd have have a clause written into the contract that stated if anything showed up, Manny wouldn't get paid. That's all it would have took.
pac accepted random urine. that's not a sign of someone planning to cheat. sho wme a guy passing urine and failed blood. pac's reservation of blood test was due to his prior experience in the morales fight. theftjr just cheated macne in weight. pac didnt want none of that cheating in the fight. theftjr was prevented from cheating and he bailed out.:hi:
There shouldn't need to be a cut off point. Give me one good reason there should? It is obvious that Pacquiao's performances made Mayweather nervous but that doesn't take away from Pac's reluctance to unequivocally accept testing. I don't think Mayweather's reasons were altruistic but I'm glad that we're starting to see fighters tested properly whoever they are. It should be mandatory for every fight. My previous comment was regarding Mayweather agreeing to Pac's demands whilst Manny refused a perfectly legitimate request. Still with your love for RJJ it's little surprise you aren't in favor of stringent testing...
Huh? Pac seems to be dirty given his hesitation. Pac: "10 million for every pound over 147 for YOU, not me." Mayweather: "yes, no problem" Mayweather: "Random blood testing for both of us." Pac: "I'm scared of needles"
are you insinuating pac will weigh above 147. bwaahahahhahahah now i have heard all the excuses. if you want to predict the future, go back in history. theftjr has a record of paying his opponent so he can cheat them. cheated macne, most likely would have cheated pac too. instead he was prevented from it. drained drainelo to a corpse, most likely paid him too to go easy. paid madona to wear pillows. paid pac to keep theftjr\s dirty drug test records secret. theftjr is a cheater through and through. has **** resume and made it worse via cheating which he paid.:hi:
I'll give you a perfectly good reason as to why Manny wanted a cut off point. Because who would want there 10 week camp disrupting, at any point up to the fight, when there was no evidence that there was foul play, and before Floyd Snr spoke up, Floyd himself didn't have a problem? How's that for you? Why should Manny have jumped through all of Floyd's hoops, based on an unsubstantiated claim? Now you tell me why Floyd couldn't have accepted the cut off request, with a clause written into the contract, that stated if anything showed up in Manny's tests, either the ones during camp, or the ones directly after the fight, that Manny wouldn't receive a single dollar? I agree that all fighters should be randomly blood and urine tested. I'd love to see it come into play. That would be great if it was possible. But again, the commission didn't request that Manny had to be tested. It was Floyd who demanded it. There is a huge difference. And no, it wasn't a legitimate request from Floyd. Because again, before official negotiations, Floyd had no issue with testing. It was only after Floyd Snr's outburst that Floyd demanded testing. We all know that there was no simple request. The Mayweather's implied that Manny was dirty and they handled things poorly.
How is submitting to drug-testing having your camp disrupted? This is a new one for me. Less than one teaspoon of blood is taken. It would take all of five minutes to do, and even if it happened in the middle of sparring - you could go straight back in the ring. There is absolutely no argument to be made here.
Why would Floyd have had a problem with the weight penalty? Again, Floyd making sure that he came in on weight, isn't the same as agreeing for your camp to be disrupted by giving blood. Can you guys not see that there's a huge difference between the two demands? With regards to having blood taken, there's an article and a video from 2005, when Manny fought Morales, that states he was left weakened by it. Now Manny didn't jump into a time machine to produce that article. It was again from 2005, and is there for all to see. Just google it. It was written years before anyone even mentioned the possibility of Manny and Floyd fighting each other. So Manny wasn't making excuses. Now nobody would want their camp disrupting, just based on the ramblings of Floyd Snr.
we have no idea how random blood will be conducted. it could 3x a week or it could be 3x a day, or 3x an hour, it still random. my inkling is theftjr would want to gain an advantage. when he was prevented from cheating again in weight, he looked for another way. he found out that pac had a problem with draining blood close to the fight. he planned to drain pac blood and all the while he will be juiced to the gills with his threrapeutic use exemption clause. i mean who woould pay 100k for a ****ing drug test. when pac's team bulk from a possible cheating again, theftjr used it to get out of the fight. and i thought theftjr, had pac aand him agreed to the cutoff, he will test positive of anything while in training so he can get out of the fight. he cant use injury coz he already used it in the macne fight and pac's team can wait. he cant beat pac straight up so he wanted to cheat anyway he can. the guy is just a compulsive cheater.
How does that argument stack-up in this thread? Did the commission demand a $10m/lb penalty? Or was that Pacquiao? By your own reasoning that wasn't a legitimate request from Manny. You know what the biggest issue in this entire debate is? That blind following of one over the other, or blind hatred of one over the other leads to stupid **** like this. Was anyone blameless? No. Why not just accept that neither of them were overly-desperate to make the fight happen and move on?
For real? It doesn't matter how much blood is taken. Some people don't like to give blood. Who would want to be continually disrupted preparing for the biggest fight of their life? Read the article from 2005, where Manny said he felt weakened after having blood taken for the Morales fight. What do you mean there is no argument to be made? Tell me why a 24 day cut off wasn't enough, that included immediate after fight tests?
Also, when Manny was the one to request it against Rios, how, again, does that stack-up with your point about him being weakened? Stop looking at it from one perspective. There is absolutely NO pride for Pacquaio in refusing the blood testing. None.
IMHO, it was completely unnecessary for Manny to demand the weight penalty. But I can understand why he did it. Because both guys have huge egos, and it was just to make it clear to Floyd that he wasn't going to have everything his own way. But again, a weight penalty is in no way the same as agreeing to give blood at any point during the full duration of camp.
Again, how does it stack-up against Pacquaio requesting it against Rios? A fighter who claims they can be weakened by the loss of a teaspoon of blood before a fight is having a laugh. Boxing? You know, the sport which generally involves getting punched in the face and losing blood? atsch Or is it the needles he doesn't like? Oh no, that's right, he has tattoos. What ever could the reason be then? :think