The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

Take 30 days out of a 9-10 week camp.

He agreed to be randomly tested for almost 2/3rds of his camp, with an after fight test.

Then he agreed to 24.

He was also reported to have said, that he'd be willing to do the 14 days, if they didn't take a lot of blood.

Then shortly afterwards, Floyd was reported as saying he wanted a break from boxing.

I don't think this fight would ever have taken place, even if Manny had agreed to everything.

Look at what Floyd's just pulled with the gloves, and him saying that he didn't care what Canelo rehydrated to, then demanding he came in at 152.

He's an egomaniac.

 

I would agree with you, except manny did accept OSDT up until 24 days from the fight. Thats what the big deal is, if he was insulted by the accusations & offended then he should of straight up denied testing. The fact that he entertained the idea of OSDT with his cut off date is what the problem is.

You never tested dirty, dont feel like you need to? fine say no. Don't say "ok but only with 24 day cut off"

Its boxing, camps always talk smack. I don't think floyd snr saying what he said was a big deal. Zab also thought Shane was dirty, called him out on it & because of it the fight did not get made. Accusations have happend in boxing. No one went to the extent of sueing some one though.

Like I said if manny was offended he should of never entertained the idea of OSDT by trying to black out dates. The fact that he was willing to test OSDT but not on so & so dates is what looks wrong.

Again, something that is looked over alot is that floyd said it did not have to be USADA, but it did have to be random.

Floyd originally wanted full testing up until the fight, Pac budged on 24 & floyd counterd 14 days. Pac denied. This should of never been negotiated if it was insulting to Pac.

Again, this made big news when Pac denied it. Not when floyd requested it. No one thought it was insulting until pac refused it. I understand there are die hard fans that will side with him. But most boxing fans felt this was suspicous.

If I were manny & I were insulted I would of said no period. Not negotiate dates.

Now put your self in floyds shoes, Floyd & his camp honestly felt Pac was dirty. Why does that mean he is wrong ? Its sports, alot of people never get caught & alot of them do. Floyd did not feel the comissions test were enough. So they requested the best testing which BOTH would take. Are you going to tell me the comission is as extensive as OSDT? there not. The proof is boxers coming out & admitting to roid use once there done boxing.

This all shouldnt even be a debate. Nothing wrong with asking for better testing if you feel some one is dirty. It should actually be implemented in every fight. By this logic, comission testing is 100% reliable & no one should ever feel that some one is roiding.

Mosley slipped, he admitted to it & passed comission testing.

 

What a great, honest and insighful interview. Thanks for posting that:good

 

You've yet to address my question:

 

Ha!

How many more times?

Look at you trying to claim that Floyd tried to save the fight, by offering the 14 days.

Laughable.


The theory from Caitlin says it was possible to cheat with a clear 24 days.

But again, Manny wouldn't have had a clear 24 days even with a 24 day cut off.

Not with an after fight test.

How hard is that to understand?

That was my only argument with his statement.

It was just theoretical, with no substance.


Then you go on to say that even though 14 days isn't sufficient, it satisfied Floyd and his team.

Yeah right!

Floyd would never have compromised on any days, if he'd have thought there was a slight chance of Manny being dirty.

To think that Manny would have cheated in 2-3 weeks out of 9-10, is pure fantasy in my opinion, just like thinking that Floyd tried his best to make the fight happen.


There's no point in taking this any further.

We might as well just leave it.

 

:-(I really feel like no matter who's fault all of this is, boxing as abuisiness suffered the most. That fight would've brought the sport soooo much main stream media attention throughout the world, it really woulda been great. The winner would have a Sugar Ray Leonard type legacy. The loser would be this generations Tommy Hearns. Such a damn shame, the whhole thing. Pathetic really

 

That 'theory' is coming from one of the world's foremost expert in drug testing, not some internet schlub. Your continuing to act as though he was unaware of the post fight blood test is asinine.

Probably not a point in continuing, because all you are doing is repeating your flawed theory and scenarios while ignoring any facts placed before you.

But before you go, please take a stab at addressing this:

 

I just don't understand what the bid deal is. *******s mention it like it was a road block or "floyds" testing. Floyd said it did not have to be usada but did have to be random.

If floyd was insulting Pac then he would of only asked pac to take it & not subject him self to it. He would of gone through the same test that pac took.

 

How long can this possibly go on?? We're talking about the first negotiation's where even Roach and Arum admitted they're at fault. And even now Pac has changed his stance which is akin to him admitting he was wrong. Now *******s only argument is that Floyd would've just came up with something else, when it was he who made a last ditch effort with 14 day cutoff to make the fight, that doesn't even make sense that Floyd could be blamed. I mean really, a 14 day blood cutoff is gonna affect you the day of the fight, who in their right mind would believe that!!?? Everything points to Pac not having wanted that test, when they first heard about it they laughed and said yeah sure we'll take a test no problem. In hindsight when combining what actually happened along with their initial reaction it's easy to see they were hoping to dissuade Floyd from his suspicion. It's like the criminal drug user being pulled over by the cops and the cops saying can we search your car?

The criminals know their best play is to give the most believable "yeah sure" in the hopes the cops will be dissuaded but when they're not what do they find? Pac did not want that test, he was not even gonna budge from 30 days had it not been for video evidence of him taking blood a 24 days out. Aftermath, Floyd like many becomes convinced Manny is a user, and even the *******s themselves say not every drug is detectable so what's the point? So now you have Floyd believing Manny is user and he knows not every drug is detectable, how encouraging is that for him to fight him?? When the first negotiation's broke down, the fight broke down, and that's no one's fault but Manny's.

 

It's as simple as this:

Floyd had a right to ask for tests.

Manny had a right to say no.

You can't advocate Floyd making demands, but then criticise Manny for not accepting them all.


Also, If Manny had've just flatly refused to any testing, what would people have said then?

He obviously agreed to the testing, but with stipulations, to try and make the fight.

IMHO, the stipulations were made for two reasons.


1. Because he didn't want his camp disrupting for the full duration.

2. To not give in to Floyd.


I will never believe that Manny wanted the 30 days, to specifically cheat within that time frame.

I don't buy it, and I don't particularly like the guy.

Despite what I've wrote on here, I'm not even a fan of his.

 

Saying " I will never believe he wanted the 30 days to cheat" just says your mind is made up. We our selfs do not know & if we are debating we can not completley rule it out.

What you debated is kind of contradicting. Your argument in your words were "who the f*ck is floyd" to demand testing. Meaning this was a insult to pac, that was your argument. Pac trying to negotitate cut off dates defeats the argument of it being a insult. If it was just that a "insult" then why negotiate days? what does a insult have to do with negotiating dates?

Disrupting trainning? common man, you mean to tell me pacs congressman duties, singing, acting & being the good guy he is to his community is not already disrupting his camp? thats the biggest b.s excuse ever. Takes about 30 mins to be done with it.

 

What kind of argument is that you simply don't believe it?? The fact of the matter is that it is possible to cheat within that time frame, that's the argument that matters. That's the one professional boxers need to be concerned about, not what some random fan who is not stepping in the ring thinks.

 

You're question has been answered numerous times, in the previous threads that have been swallowed up in the 'whine thread'

You can't do direct comparisons from 2009, up until the present day, when the circumstances were completely different.

This shouldn't need explaining to you.

As soon as Manny agreed to the testing against Rios, you would have assumed that Floyd would have been happy to call him out for an easy pay day.

 

If he was aware of the offer of an immediate after fight test, then how could Manny have had a clear 24 days, in a 24 day window?

 

Nice, this also makes me recall when Pac opted to stay in the Philippines when he knew a storm was coming during the most crucial portion of his training for Cotto, knowing he would have to be there for a week with no training. I guess he figured he would just have to up his PED intake to make up for it. Pac has shown time and again training interruptions arguments are completely bogus.