Young people, don't let them tell you not to stretch.

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  1. dealt_with

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    Whatever you believe is going to help you is likely going to help you in some way. Yoga is for relaxing and breathing. Dynamic and static flexibility are two completely different things.
    You warm up prior to exercise to get blood flowing and to wake up your neuromuscular system to perform exercises more easily and safely. Static stretching doesn't stretch muscle fibres and blunts the pain response, which is why static stretching has even been associated with increased injury risk. And the detrimental effects of static stretching on subsequent speed and power activities is well documented. Muscle stiffness in certain areas provide a protective effect and enhance power production. Being too compliant around your ankle for example is just going to make you inefficient and slow, and increase your injury risk. Females not having enough muscle stiffness around their knees greatly increases their chances of doing an ACL. Stretching has a reputation for preventing injuries and helping recovery, despite there being absolutely no evidence of it. Relaxing in itself is great but the stretching part is doing nothing, it harm if done before exercise (static that is).
     
  2. TVLPC

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    Dealth With, what is your suggestion for a dynamic warmup for a typical lifting session(squats, pulling exercises, push press, and so forth)? Do you believe in a cool down, and if so, what suggestions do you have for that?
     
  3. rampant

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    Yoga is relaxing , breathing with stretching :good

    You are fixated with science! don't believe everything you read!
     
  4. viru§™

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    This.
     
  5. dealt_with

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    Kovacs book on dynamic stretching is a good one, from all my experience with athletes in the weight room those are the typical movements used before a weight session. 5-10 minutes mobilizing the joints used, exercises like spidermans, lunging in different directions with balance components, side squats etc. progressing to light plyos (bounding, squat jumps, tuck jumps etc.). And then of course you should always have warm up sets of any exercise you're doing. Afterwards using the foam roller, good way to relax and cool down.
     
  6. dealt_with

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    I obviously have a critical mind, as if I'd believe everything I read. Every study has weaknesses and questions, that's inevitable. That's why you look at literature reviews (meta-analysis) and balance that with your practical experience. There's a reason why no serious athletic coach in the 21st century has their athletes do static stretching. If ROM needs to be improved it's PNF stretching, with dynamic stretching related to the movements about to be performed when done before training/competition.
    Science needs to lead everything, talking out of your ass and guessing isn't a viable alternative.
     
  7. dealt_with

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    You still haven't explained what you disagree with or what your beliefs are... I can explain your experience if you tell me about it.
     
  8. viru§™

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    I'm talking in general.

    The vast majority of your posts are based on scientific research, not on your own experience, which is key in this field.

    What do you think about this split? This is in terms of muscle and strength building.

    Friday - Back and triceps
    Saturday - Back and chest
    Sunday - Legs (squat progression)
    Monday - Shoulders and chest
    Wednesday - Legs (volume)

    Every day apart from Wednesday includes going to failure for multiple lifts on various body parts. Reps range from high (up to 30) down to 2 reps at the heaviest.

    Thoughts?
     
  9. dealt_with

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    I could give personal anecdotes all day about different athletes I've trained, the only thing that stands up is the scientific research in the field.
    I can't tell anything about that split from the info you've given me, you've told me nothing about the load, or what block of training, or for what sort of an athlete.
    It sounds like a bodybuilder sort of split with plenty of volume. Obviously a lot of TUT, so would be good for hypertrophy. It sounds like daily undulating training, definitely sub-optimal for strength and power gains but should give some good strength gains for somebody who has never devoted blocks of training to hypertrophy.
    Your own experience means **** in this field, understand that.
     
  10. viru§™

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    To be honest I was expecting a different response, but I agree with what you said.

    This on the other hand...
     
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  15. bballchump11

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    Stretching has really helped my posture. I'm trying to correct my Anterior Pelvic Tilt, and stretching my hip flexors and quads has helped it a lot and my hamstrings aren't as tight.

    But at the same time, Romanian deadlifts and glute bridges has also improved my posture.