Tyson was like a more athletic version of Butterbean. People love to watch a stocky guy throw telegraphed power punches and knock out hopeless competition. He was solid but mostly in the right place at the right time. pre- or post-80s he would have just been another contender.
The problem in this thread is people judging Tyson since Buster Douglas. People judging how good he was from 2002 and 2004 is just ridiculous. Tyson's decline started post Rooney, and it's well documented. I don't even acknowledge Tyson's later career when assessing how good he was. He should be judged by his abilities at his peak. The fuss was justified and if you don't think it was, your either too young to know better or YDSAB.
If it was that idiotic it wouldn't have frustrated you into such an empty response. It's true in the most literal sense. Tyson was never an ATG heavyweight. He was very famous because he came to knock out mediocre opposition and people love watching that. The same reason Butterbean is famous, except Tyson looks the part instead of being a novelty fatass. He wouldn't have been **** outside of the '80s which made today's HW division look glorious. The same people who are obsessed with Tyson tend to be the guys who think Ike without prison would have cleaned out the HW division, and thought Tua was the second coming of Christ until proven wrong 100 times. They love that "KO or KO" gameplan and when you point out that it looks spectacular against bums but never stands up to top competition, they call you a troll and run and hide.
The trouble is that at his athletic peak, look who he was fighting. He was diminished in the 90s/00s but he also stepped up the competition.
Another overweight sun deprived zit face whos been on a forum so long that he thinks everyone who disagrees with him is "that guy with 1000 accounts"?
Your only saying that because he was the single dominant heavyweight of that time. Guess what? In every era but the 70s, heavyweight boxing has been almost always dominated by one top fighter. People said Marciano fought bums, Louis fought bums, and now Klitchsko fights bums. Regardless, they dominate and they are rightfully held in historically high regard. The trouble is, people can't appreciate, especially in this keyboard warrior age.
I don't hate Tyson OR love Foreman. I said Mike was a very good heavyweight. I have a different opinion on Mikes place in history than you, that's all. I have an opinion that's based on facts and rational thinking, you have an opinion that's based on a homosecksual obsession. That's ok. We'll just have to agree to disagree then.
All I can say is you had to be there. I never saw Sugar Ray Robinson live, just on film, but with so many people saying how great he was, I have to give that weight. Same thing you guys who weren't here to see him need to do with Tyson. Yes, he peaked early and his peak was short, for all the reasons I named earlier in the thread. But there has NEVER been a fighter who was so incredibly a force of nature. The Tyson era was the last time the world stopped when the heavyweight title was on the line. He was so dominant that he had guys beat before the opening bell. The only was guys stayed with him 12 rds was to hold and grasp and not even try to win. He was not the same Tyson vs Douglass. Prime Tyson KILLS Douglass in R1. My Dad, who is now 70, used to LITERALLY say, "They need to start letting guys come in the ring with a brick or knife to make things fair." I cant explain it to you if you don't want to believe it. Young Tyson moved his head, slipped jabs, threw absolute BOMBS to the body and head with both hands. Had perhaps the greatest uppercut in history, and had some of the quickest hands in the history of the division. He destroyed himself, yes. But he was as good as any in his prime.
i saw his fight with johnson, one of his early fights. so, young so skilled, ducking punches and throwing combos. as time went by, he got lazier and lazier. his addictions caught up to him at the end