Why has team USA been doing so bad in the amateurs

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Joejr, Jul 9, 2014.


  1. Joejr

    Joejr Boxing Addict banned

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    Ah well there's also silver , and bronze which are a good indicator of general performance ,you've also got the world championshisp which I rate as harder to win than the Olympics, Europeans , pan ams, chemistry cups and any international comp

    You then have the exact same at youth level and junior level, so for you to only see Olympic gold medel shows that your failing the system to by not seeing the bigger picture and being narrow minded

    I'm not arguing for the sake of it, most of the stuff you've been saying is directly contridicting what is actually happening in reality with the us team in terms of performance and why it should be affecting the performance

    And you've gone off point about the wsb because it doesn't suit your agenda I was simply stating that the us amateurs were doing terribly in a pro format of scoring but since you know that I be true and it doesn't suit your agenda you didn't respond to it and tired to change the subject
     
  2. shoe

    shoe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    there are a lot of sports to get college scholarships and eventual big money for which don't involved getting punched in the face.
     
  3. Joejr

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    That's the same all over the world mate
     
  4. Chango

    Chango Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yet somehow the countries without a good amateur background (to include the US and Mexico) are the ones producing the champs at professional level.
     
  5. Joejr

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    Cuba produce champs, more than USA or Mexico relative to populations

    So do Ukraine, uk, Russia, Kazakhstan(the very few that can turn pro are very successful) etc the fact is a strong amatuer system leads to success at the highest level and the fact that the USA amatuer system is gone to **** isn't a good sign

    The Mexican team is actually doing reasonably well
     
  6. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I was looking at the highest rated amateurs on AIBA. Tell me if you can spot a trend.

    2750 Medzhidov, Magomedrasul 91+kg Azerbaijan
    2375 Yeleussinov, Daniyar 69kg Kazakhstan
    2300 Niyazymbetov, Adilbek 81kg Kazakhstan
    2175 Ramirez Carranza, Robeisy Eloy 56kg Cuba
    2160 Dychko, Ivan 91+kg Kazakhstan
    2100 Russo, Clemente 90kg Italy
    2050 Selby, Andrew Christopher 52kg Wales
    2050 Mammadov, Teymur 91+kg Azerbaijan
    2000 Alimkhanuly, Zhanibak 75kg Kazakhstan
    2000 Uranchimeg, Munkh-Erdene 64kg Mongolia
    2000 Akshalov, Merey 64kg Kazakhstan
    1800 Zhakypov, Birzhan 46-49kg Kazakhstan
    1762.5 Alvarez Estrada, Lazaro Jorge 60kg Cuba

    6 of the top 12 p4p are from Kazakhstan. Whoever is training them knows his stuff.
     
  7. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not really. If you're a great athlete from the Third World, particularly Latin America, you are either going to pick up boxing, baseball, or soccer.

    That's a fact. In the States, depending on your size, you can do each of the aforementioned plus football, basketball, hockey, lacrosse ect.

    There are, quite simply, more sporting opportunities for a great athlete in the United States.

    Do you think, for example, that a LeBron James or A. Peterson would choose amateur boxing over basketball and football, respectively?

    Hardly.
     
  8. Joejr

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    Kazakhstan ,Cuba ,Azerbaijan , Ireland and the Ukraine produce the most talent per capita
     
  9. Joejr

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    Mate same bs there's sporting opportunities in all sports got people all over the world.

    The popularity of soccer in Latin America and Europe overwhelms the success of basketball in USA and they also play a lot of basketball too and many other sports

    And this also goes against the fact that things have really gone to **** for America around ten years ago, was there no college scholarships or professional leagues in America before 2000, it's indisputable boxing In the USA is on the slide

    Do you think tyson fury or David price would have choose to play basketball if try we're brining the states? No because they would be **** at them
     
  10. Davros84

    Davros84 New Member Full Member

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    That does not make sense as the Eastern European countries were able to compete against the Americans back in the communist days at the Olympics (except for a few Olympics due to national pull outs). In actual fact looking at the Olympics really gives a guide as to how the popularity and quality of American boxing has declined.
     
  11. Joejr

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    It's in decline yes the number of different and ridiculous excuses really baffles me

    1. Are fighters were in jail or missed drugs test that's why we're doing bad .lmfao

    2. All our athletes are now playing football or basketball. These sports weren't invented ten years ago Ffs and unless your a light heavyweight upwards then your probebly to small to play these sports

    3. The points scoring system doesn't suit American fighters. Proven to be bs headgaurd were removed and the ten point must system were used in the last world championshisp and USA had there worst major tournament ever

    4. Judges in America don't score fights right. So aiba trained judges suddenly score fights like idiots because there in America bit of a weird one? Once again even if that wAs the case would USA do better with a ten point must system? Oh wait there doing worse.

    5. Other sports are more popular? What Americans don't seem to realise is that boxing isn't the number one sport in every other countries, while football and basketball are popular in America they pale in comparison to the popularity of soccer in Europe and South America. And basketball is also popular in these countries too

    6. All our young fighters turn pro. That happened in the past too and is not a recent development, in the past America still did well in the amateurs now there doing ****, excuse is invalid

    7. Who care anyway it's only the amateurs .lmfao America sure cared about it when there doing well,remember how crazy you went over Roy jones decision , if it didn't matter there wouldn't have been that uproar. It's the same as the modern heavyweight division , America decides if there not doing well at something it doesn't matter and they try there best to marginalise it
     
  12. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    That one actually holds water. I made a post in the earlier thread that got deleted showing how the number of top level pro boxers is ten times what it is at other weights between welterweight and middleweight. Below that we just don't produce a lot of small guys and above that the tall guys go to other sports.
     
  13. Joejr

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    That's goes back to another point is basketball and football a modern invention in America? It's not that why this holds no away the reason America is doing badly in the higher weight divisons is due to Eastern Europeans taking over and Europeans in general

    And boxers aren't like football players or basketball players just because your good at one doesn't mean you will be good at boxing