**boxers that had all the tools! we're hyped! failing to fulfill potential**

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  1. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Just wondering your top 5 boxers with all the tools, failing to reach their hyped and potential....

    I am thinking of guys like Kermit Cintron, Jeff Lacy...etc
     
  2. Big

    Big Well-Known Member Full Member

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    we are hyped?
     
  3. TerryESB

    TerryESB The Final Boss Full Member

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    I have had enough with the American Media biased as hell hyping who they like and sorta just ignoring who they dont like. I cant take it any more! FFS just look at their World Cup Commentary their boxing commentary isnt any better!



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  4. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    How would you say Cintron and Lacy had "all the tools"?

    Cintron was a basic guy with heavy hands. One of the examples when people say "being a good athlete doesn't mean you can be a good boxer". He may have been really good in other sports but he lacked fludity as a fighter. He seemed unsteady in the ring, balance-wise and just didn't have the look of an elite fighter. Lacy had heavy hands, but his defense and skills left something to be desired.

    Not a list, but just some that come to mind:

    Physically, Hector Camacho Sr. had a LOT of tools. Arguably the fastest hands ever, very quick feet and legs too. Decent power, and his he didn't have to sacrifice power for speed, or vice versa. He threw some ridiculously fast combos with leverage on the punches. He didn't throw b.s. arm flurries like Amir Khan often does. They were super fast, effective combos.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1kf_FkkaYM


    Zab Judah, other than having an average chin, had a ton of tools. Not only was he super fast, but he had power and was very fluid in his movements.

    His straight left hand and left uppercut were terrific punches. But he was lacking mentally. He could lose focus which caused his poor performances against much lesser fighters like Carlos Baldomir and an old Rafael Pineda (whom Pernell Whitaker shut out in his prime). Like Camacho, he didn't react well to getting hit with consistency or hard shots. He'd go into a shell and look to survive, and hope to land one bomb.

    It's weird when you look at a young Judah and watch how he came back strong after being hurt by the dreaded Micky Ward liver shot, and being dropped against Terron Millett and Jan Bergman. You wouldn't think he would turn out to be such a front-runner.

    Riddick Bowe had a poor defense from the outside. Other than that, he had so many tools. Great jab, good power. He could box effectively from the outside and was a master on the inside. Well-schooled by Eddie Futch. No heavyweight since him has been so good on the inside. He had naturally good stamina too, with his excellent workrate.

    But he had such poor training/eating habits. He lost the Holyfield fight by the narrowest of margins, and his 11 lbs that he put on since the first fight looked to be largely of flab. He still had lots of success, particularly with the jab, and hurt Holyfield in the last round. Given how close the fight was, and Bowe's extra weight, Bowe never should have lost that fight (and the title).

    I think Compubox is largely inaccurate and means little, but for what it's worth, he outlanded Holyfield by 100 punches and averaged 65 punches thrown per round (I do think that punches thrown is accurate). A heavyweight averaging 65 punches per round shows you something about his stamina.

    But he wasted so much talent. :-(
     
  5. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Bowe is one of the first names that came to mind.
     
  6. Scorpion

    Scorpion Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ^^Awesome post Thread Stealer.

    Macho man should've been an ATG imo but failed to live up to his expectation.
    Same with Bowe.
     
  7. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Ok, agreed on Cintron and Lacy didn't had all the tools.... So I just rephrase, the media made the better boxers than they were and there records were skewed by poor opposition, or past their prime opposition...

    Judah, had everything a boxer wants to succeed except between the ears!!
     
  8. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Macho had the tools, and the heart.... And during the early part of his career he showed and achieved...now you got to give it to him for him longevity also...I think he fulfilled his potential....but could have born much higher in the ATG list...nevertheless HE WAS AN ATG
     
  9. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Tony el torito Ayala, another great prospect that never fulfilled what he could have been....

    Esteban Vita De Jesus, had everything, and his cocaine habit catch up with him...he won titles but he could have been an ATG!!
     
  10. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    Even though they all acheived a lot,
    Zab Judah
    Riddic Bowe
    Naseem Hamed
    Scott Harrison
    Could all have done much more with their careers, but didnt for various reasons
     
  11. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    Michael Nunn, Golota, Yuri Gamboa, although im still hoping he turns it around.
     
  12. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    Tony Ayala is a good one, same with Ike Ibeabuchi.

    Both failed to hit potential due to criminal activity.

    Zab had world class skills, but never the mentality to consistently use them.

    Cintron was never a natural boxer, if anything Kermit OVERACHIEVED for his skillset... he was never the guy who looked comfortable and relaxed in there all the time.

    Lacy never really had a great win before getting beat by Calzaghe. Look it up, he was overhyped because of some power and flashy punches... he was never technically very good.
     
  13. JudgeDredd

    JudgeDredd Well-Known Member Full Member

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  14. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    It's like that with every country.
     
  15. aussie opinion

    aussie opinion Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fraudley Harrison comes to mind ....