Foreman vs Wladimir Klitschko

One thing I feel Foreman would need to do is do what Briggs did against Vitali. Now, that was a one-sided fight but the one thing Briggs did well was when Vitali held him, Briggs banged a hard punch to the body. Nearly every time. This caused Vitali to stop holding and back off.

Foreman would be wise to employ the same tactic. If he even gets a hint of Wlad trying to hold, bang a shot or two downstairs.

 

Brewster didn't do **** except be a punching bag. Wlad just punched himself out and collapsed from fatigue, he wasn't hurt from Brewster's punches. When he went to the hospital that night he didn't have a concussion. He learned from this mistake and learned to pace himself.

 

He sure did. He was going in on Wlads sides at every opportunity. Its all there to witness on youtube.

Foreman wouldn't surrender himself to the clinch like Povetkin did . He's leather his body worse than Brewster did.

 

Irrelevant. It was the WAY he went about neutralizing attacks and staying out of harm's way against guys who could hurt him more so than beating Foremanesque opponents. A better question to ask is, " who did FOREMAN beat at any time in his career who had the combination of a great jab, power, conditioning, size, holding techniques and boxing ability, to make you think that he'd beat a 2005-present Klitschko?"

 

It entirely relevant. Strength of competition beat is the main factor when evaluating these things. Its 'irrelevant' to you because you have no answer , which means there is no case to be made for him beating Foreman.

Wlad was blasted out by guys who bang and bring pressure like Foreman.

Foreman dealt with better outside boxers than Wlad.

Who has Wlad beaten. That is the question here. Foreman is proven.

 

Its irrelevant because as much as we've never seen Wlad fight a 70's Foreman, we've also never seen 70's Foreman do the same against an opponent like Wlad. Therefore, we have to go by the types of ATTRIBUTES that seemed to be a problem for the other.

See the above along with everything I wrote in my previous post. All you have to do is read.. Not that difficult.

Yes against a different version of Wlad with a different style and skillset. And some of those guys were dissimilar to Foreman in a lot of ways.. What in the hell does Foreman have in common with Corrie Sanders aside from just power?

Jesus Christ, in his first career he fought TWO outside boxers or at least ones that were worth anything and lost to BOTH.. Klitscko resoundingly beat the **** out of Chris Byrd, Eddie Chambers and a myriad of others. Not as good as the men Foreman lost to mind you, but it still disproves your ludicrous statement that Foreman " dealt with outside boxers better than Wlad. "

Foreman is proven against fighters who have nothing in common with Wlad.. Klitscko never beat a puncher of Foreman's caliber but handled plenty of large slow moving hitters nonetheless.. While neither man ever beat a fighter like the other, Wladimir is at least CLOSER to hitting the mark than George was.

 

We have seen him blown out by lesser guys than Foreman.
The types of ATTRIBUTES that caused Wlads many struggles and TKO losses were employed to greater effect by Foreman.
Logic states that Wlad has no chance if lesser guys similar to Formam destroyd Wlad.
What do you mean an 'opponent like Wlad'? We are talking an authentic top 5 greatest of all time HW.
Who has Wlad beaten? What great fighters, hall of famers has he beaten? What great fight has he ever produced?

Wlad is the same Wlad he's always been. The only difference is his comp lowered in quailty and he moved to Germany where he gets away with endless fouling.

Norton was better than Wlad in every department except for power and he was completly dismantled by George.
Its debatable who had more power between Lyle and Wlad. Lyle was also destroyed by Geroge.

Ali took probably the worst beating imaginable in his gameplan to get the win. How many mins do you think Wlad would last getting hammered by George?

Wlad backed off everytime non puncher Byrd came to him and did a lot of holding. This went on for 7 rounds in the rematch when Byrd was shot to **** and deserved to lose his previous 4 fights.
Chambers took Wlad the distance and got stopped on fatuige from Wlad laying constantly on his back.
Does George allow Wlad play his hugging game and paw paw jab like those two non heavyweight nobodies?

Thats not true.
Ali and Norton were better out boxers than Wlad. Wlad wouldn't of lasted more than 3 rounds in the jungle.

 

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You mean like left hooks, fast hands, and a fight that went to the 11th round after Ross Purity had been getting his stool pushed in before Wlad was exahausted due to never having been beyond 8 by that point?

Yeah lesser guys of different styles and fighting Klitschko before employing one of the greatest trainers of all time who completely changed his fight game into one that spelled out T-R-O-U-B-L-E for Foreman.

Why don't you tell me what traits Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Ron Lyle and Michael Moorer shared with Wlad. Because those were the best fighters Foreman beat, and while some of them were hall of fame quality guys it sure doesn't answer the question of how Foreman would deal with a man who had one of the division's greatest left jabs, defensive tactics, above average size and conditioning.

He didn't need to foul to beat Povetkin. How did he need to foul to knock him down 4 times? And while his comp was weak, so was Foreman's for most of his career with the exception of a handful of opponents. Look at his style in 2010 when contrasted to that of 2003. If you don't see a difference then I seriously have to question if you've even seen him fight aside from maybe a few 30 second clips on youtube.

Norton did not have Wlad's jab, ability to clinch and neutralize an attack of a stronger man, and had the tendency to put himself directly in harms way when facing a deadly puncher.. Sounds sort of like the exact opposite to a normal person.

Lyle also very nearly knocked George TFO, and traded at will with him - something Klitschko isn't going to do.

Assuming he laid against the ropes and let Foreman do what he pleased? I imagine not long at all. But that isn't happening.

Byrd got the living **** kicked out of him. Not a relevant comparison.

And lost just about every round.. You still haven't made a viable comparison with opponents that had any common traits.

No.. I think Wlad keeps him at bay by peppering him with the jab and occasionally landing a hard right cross against a virtually non existent defense, while steadily wearing him down..

No kidding. And both beat Foreman and had him down without the added size and power that a Klitschko would bring.. How does this have anything to do with your earlier statement that Foreman handled boxers better than Wlad did?

 

So when Wlad gets drilled with a foreman hook on the chin he is just going to collapse.

 

That was Wlads 24th professional fight. He was also a gold medalist. Show me a 24 fight pro unable to go 12 rounds?

There is no excuse for being unprepared for the mandated 12 rounds. NONE. You are resorting to making lots of excuses for Wlad here.

So who did he beat with this greastesr ever trainer. This is what Manny said about Wlads opponents past 2005

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Ali and Norton were better boxers than Wlad but you keep ingnoring this.

Whats Wlads jab going to do to Foreman? Wlad never stopped anybody from coming in with his jab.
Show me Wlad stopping a guy coming in on Foremans level with his jab?

What defense? Holding? Foreman would just use his tree trunk arms to push him across the ring. Holding George would be the worst thing he could possibly do because George can play dirty a lot worse than Wlad.
Like holding his head down and sending bolo punches right up the middle.
Foremans liver shots would destroy Wlad.
We see Brewster do it. What sort of logic states the most powerful and brutal body puncher ever would not be able to do it.
Are you telling me Brewster was better than Forweman?

Wlad was absolutely terrified of taking a shot from Povetkin so fought the whole fight like this. What do you think would happen when George lands on him?

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And there was just one knockdown. Not 4. Turn off the highlight reel and watch the fight. You're reaching desperately thinking Wlad can beat Foreman like that.

Against Haye and Mormeckatsch
FFS sake, you're havin a laugh. Haye was content to stay on the rope and pot shot. How does that have any revelance to Foreman. Wlad never had to fend off a guy like Brewster since passing this mythical 2005 milestone.
He fought a lesser version of Peter again and Manny had to scream at hin to stop holding onto him. He was all over Peters back, this best ever version of Wladimir. Helenius beat the breaks of Peter without a single clinch and far more impressively that Wlad. Does Helenius beat George too?

Norton had a far better jab than Wlad. Fast, snappy and could tripple it up on the move. Wlad can't jab on the move and can't tripple it up with any snap on it. Wlads jab is the most overrated punch in boxing.

Then George has nothing to worry about.

Povetkin banged the **** out of him. Does he beat George too?

And Wlad does this on the backfoot or standing in the middle of the ring?
What Wlad have you seen because Wlad can't box on the backfoot to save his life and if he stands there , Foreman is going to pound the living **** out of him.
Wlad couldn't take more than two punches from Sanders. His chin is glass. Its not in his mental make up to eat leather. A punch from Foreman will crush him mentally and physicially.

You responded that to this.

Ali and Norton were better out boxers than Wlad. Wlad wouldn't of lasted more than 3 rounds in the jungle.

Makes no sense Magoo does it?

 

When did Foreman go 12 rounds prior to being beaten by Jimmy Young? He was 38-0 and got stopped in 8. You're right.. there is no excuse... And you haven't addressed my response to your statement which was " the attributes that caused wlad's TKO losses, were one that Foreman executed better than the men who did it to Wlad." Wlad's weakness was the left hook and in Sanders' case, also fast hands." These weren't Foreman's specialties.

Sam Peter and Lamon Brewster were tough guys who took the fight to Wlad as was Povetkin.

Foreman LOST to Ali and I've already covered why Wlad would be more formidable than Norton.

No.. He outpoints people with his jab and uses it to set up bigger shots.. That's what a ****ing jab is used FOR.

Show me an opponent who Foreman beat who was anything like Wlad.

Wlad's defense was leagues better than Foreman's and at 6'6", 240 lbs he could control Foreman in the clinches. George was slower, less skilled, smaller, had poor defense and failed if plan "A" didn't work for him..

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And there was just one knockdown. Not 4. Turn off the highlight reel and watch the fight. You're reaching desperately thinking Wlad can beat Foreman like that.

Using David Haye as an example is laughable. Wlad dominated Haye. It wasn't his fault that he ran all night long and purposely fell to the canvas in an effort to try and sway the judges into thinking this was Wlad's doing. in order for Foreman to "pound the living **** out of him" he's going to have to get in close, land a barage and somehow avoid getting tied up. Wlad would keep him on the end of that jab all night and even land some huge right crosses. Foreman didn't have the skill to walk down WLad.

No what makes no sense is your making the staement " Foreman did BETTER against boxers than Wlad did." He lost to Jimmy young and Ali, the only two boxers who were comparable to Wlad, and beat a third in Norton who's style has ZERO in common with Wlad.. Klit beat several very good boxers and in fact NEVER lost to one. It was primarily punchers with good left hooks, large size and ones who fought him before he had changed his style to better deal with such fighters.... Your argument is built on nothing but name comparing...

 

Ken Norton better than Klitschko.

The "worst" heavyweight champions of all time according to The Ring magazine:
John Tate (WBA, 1979-80 ) 19.5 votes
Primo Carnera (1933-34 ) 14 votes
Marvin Hart (1905-06 ) 8 votes
Leon Spinks (1978 ) 8 votes
Ken Norton (WBC, 1978 ) 4 votes

 

This is how I see it. Some fighters like Frazier had to come forward. Foreman crushed him.

But those who boxed ( Lyle, Young, Ali ) exposed Foreman as a front running lights out puncher who ran out of steam, and lacked smarts and defense.