"David Haye is easily the fastest heavyweight since 1960s Muhammad Ali"- Gavin Evans

Guess he never seen Patterson

 

I agree with you 100%. But there's no reaching them. The people who treat Ali/Frazier/etc. as sacred aren't Vegas oddsmakers. They're just guys into cool ESPN documentaries and "epic sports moments". It doesn't matter if they were domestic C-level (and that's being generous) athletes in the right place at the right time. You aren't allowed to question "epic legendary sports moments".

People love the Gatti-Ward fights, but there were guys like Mayweather around to remind them that the reason those fights were so good is because both fighters were equally flawed. In MMA they had Griffin-Bonnar.

There was no Mayweather or Wlad or anything close around for Ali-Frazier. No matter how sloppy and clumsy those fights were, there was no technician waiting to humiliate them and put them into context. People got to pretend it was really for top honors. The promoters know this, hence all the "Silver Jr Decoy Bonus" belts going around to facilitate "action title fights".

I wouldn't even find Lewis/Klitschko vs Ali/Frazier/Norton/etc entertaining, but I would definitely put lots of money on the world class athletes over the retro hillbilly champions. Haye would probably have Frazier tripping on his own feet and running face first into the ropes.

 

Wladimir has made more money than any other HW champ and one of the world's highest paid athletes. Being the #3 draw in the world after Floyd and Pacquaio isn't exactly quote "no even cares".

 

Vladimir Klitschko is the best fighter on the planet. He can beat anyone in any division. Vlad would knock Void out. SOB Ward said he would beat Klitschko, but he won't sign the contract. Ward will not fight Stevenson at 168, nor will Stevenson or Ward fight Kovalev. Vlad beats all the other champions out there..............

Haye ran like hell when he got into a ring with Vlad, held onto his legs, fell down on the canvas lots of times, held, he refused to fight, threw a few punches but could not land. Haye did not look so fast in that fight.

 

no one is claiming that, and so there is no requirement to make that proof.

the only proof offered by that statement is that you are a fool of the highest order to claim young men are collapsing into comas. There bodies don't simply collapse into comas after very hard exercise, that's a very rare event to happen.

and still it remains true that so many HW gassing fatboys are out of it by 5 rounds out of 12 today compared to those doing 15 in the past.

 

I would suggest that superheavies evolved recently to fit into reduced fight lengths, since being that much bigger is a greater strain on the (relatively same sized) heart muscle resulting in reduced fitness.
Reducing rounds meant that superheavies could flourish in the new environment of boxing that required a reduced fitness.

 

Have you not seen the average man walking around these days?

Human beings are simply much larger in the 21st century then they were in those era's. They didn't have many superheavies because they didn't exist.

 

David Haye is what we like to call ..... A joke!!!

 

Apart from a bit of handspeed can someone tell me in which way Haye is fast?
It certainly isn't speed of foot,he fights largely flat footed.

 

The words "total knowledge" and "back of a postage stamp" come to mind.

 

Another clueless schoolboy.

 

Obviously a hyperbole but honestly, Haye was really fast. Easily the fasted since Tyson and faster than Byrd, Chambers and so forth as well. Obviously nowhere near Tyson's level in any other department, but talking speed only, Haye is surely up there. Then again, he lacked a lot of other things.

It's important to note that most of the dominant boxer since Tyson (or, say, 1990) weren't exactly known for speed.

- Holyfield
- Lewis
- Golota
- Bowe
- Ruddock
- Bruno
- Ibragimov
- Byrd
- Povetkin
- Valuev
- Tua
- Rahman
- Vit
- Wlad

Surely some remarkable boxers but I don't see anyone who excelled in speed as much as Haye.

 

Well considering Haye was completely nullified by Wladimir's foot speed that seems a bit daft to say he didn't excel at speed like Haye.

 

He got nullified by his jab. Wlad didn't outspeed him by any stretch of the imagination. I attended the fight in Hamburg.

 

Maybe you were drunk. That combined with a dodgy view perhaps explains your inability to read a fight.