Max Baer vs David Tua

There was more to it .. Lewis used an excellent jab and movement .. Max had zero .. I see Tua crushing him.

 

Lewis is much better, but what is the evidence that Louis hit harder?
Where are the bodies buried?

"Polyamorous genderqueers"? What the @#$%^&*! provoked this vicious homophbic name calling? At best it is juvenile & gratuitous.

Tua better than Galento, OK. But not much better in results, & Galento seems tougher.

Based upon what did Tua beat Ike? Ike won more rounds.
I am sketical that the poster is unbiased enough top claim Tua beat Byrd, but would need to watch that carefully.

 

Tua could take Baer's best punches... the opposite is not true in my opinion. Baer could punch and he was strong but he couldn't punch like Tua and even if he could, Tua could take it. Strength, Tua was/is a very strong man. I'd say he was stronger than Baer.

This is both at their best so Tua has very good stamina, a high workrate, and One-Punch-KO-Power in either hand right up until the last bell.

Tua by 14th round KO.

 

Tua was good. I wasn't a huge fan, but he was definately very good. His best wins were-

KO1 Ruiz- come on man, it lasted 19 seconds!

KO1 Moorer- 30 seconds!

KO10 Rahman- it wasn't easy but he got the win

KO12 Izon- Izon went on to stop Savarese in 5 and D. Jefferson in 9.jko

KO11 Maskaev- Maskaev stopped Rahman x2 and Jefferson among others.

KO1 O. Sullivan- Sullivan had lost a close fight to Rahman, last until the 9th round with Grant, and last thru the 9th round with V. Klitschko (did not come out for the 10th)

KO3 R. Daniels- he had never taking a beating like that before or since

KO9 Oquendo- Oquendo was a good undefeated fighter, he had stopped Etienne, Sullivan, and Izon, among others.

KO1 D. Wilson- Wilson had stopped Briggs inside of 3 rounds.

KO6 Nicholson- Nicholson had been stopped by Jeremy Williams in '93, beat Ruiz in '94, and was stopped by Andrew Golota in '96. He dropped a decision to K. Johnson but he had won 8 in a row (7 by KO) prior to Tua.

Even his loss to Ike Ibeabuchi was a very good performance. It was a very close fight and Tua fought very well. The Byrd fight was closer than most say, I had it 115-113 for Byrd, Tua didn't fight as good as he could have. He clearly lost to Lewis but took many good punches, no way is Baer stopping him. He didn't look too good vs. Rahman in their rematch, D12.

Sure, Baer had the KO wins over Schmeling and Carnera but I still think Tua wins.

 

:thumbsup

 

Guys like,Hasim Rahman, Obed Sulivan, Oleg Maskaev, David Izon, Danell Nicholsen, Michael Moorer and Fres Oquendo were far from being "taxi drivers and toilet cleaners" and Tua stopped all of them. None of them were all time greats but all formidable opponents who Tua was able to beat. In his prime years Tua was the real deal, at the time when he and Ibebuchi had there great very evenly fought battle I'd give Tua a real solid chance against many great heavyweights. Later on in his career similar to Tyson he began to head hunt far too much and became less effective especially against boxers who could keep him off but he could still be a lot of trouble for certain great fighters depending on there styles. I'd favor Tua against Baer I don't think Baer had the boxing skills to keep Tua off of him and his power wouldn't be able to stop Tua. I think Tua would be able to connect with a thunderous left hook likely pretty early in the fight and stop Baer.

 

:good

 

Lewis' record of stoppage wins is better than Baer's.
Ruddock is very overrated especially by some Tyson groupies and there was no stage in his career in which he seemed to be very durable.
Also, Lewis got a ruined version of him.
But Lewis did not just stop Ruddock. There were also Golota ,Bruno, Rahman, Briggs, Morison, Biggs, Gary Mason.
It is not a fantastic resume of stoppage wins but it is better than Baer's.


Having eggs and meat helps at comprehending them.
If Baer was as durable and hard hitting as advertised he would have stopped Lewis and Lou Nova in at least 1 out of 2 of their encounters.
Baer was just good for his era which was among the worst.

What makes Galento seem tougher than Tua, his average amount of stoppage losses compared with Tua's 0 in a far better era?

Tua did not beat Byrd, but did not get beat by him either, and it was not a real fight.

Tua beat Ibeabuchi more than Ibeabuchi beat Tua, even if a draw could be good. Still, some promoters bribe the judges better or first.
Ibeabuchi did not win more rounds either, sometimes he was even forced to box and give some ground, took more punches and was even pushed in the clinches more than pushing Tua.
How many times did you watch Tua vs Byrd and Ibeabuchi?
Here I openly state that I expect no answer on it unless I put this line here.

 

Good, answers absent malicious putdowns of those who disagree via denigrating obscue & victimized groups.

Sure no answer unless you ask, because I could not know you would want an answer.
All the way through only once.
Most feel Ike won, Tua gave away too many early rounds, Ike landed more punches, in a fight that broke the record for punches thrown. He was in a fight with the other I-man that was amongst the deaderboards in punches, irronic considering his later headhunting complacency.

If Tua got Ike when in trouble in a later round, he wins it, but Ike fought back hard in the 12th, & managed a great combination of boxing & brawling befuddlement. I do not see Tua as the better ring general here in controlling distance, style & tempo overall.
Of course El Presidenti lost the war in terms of suffering terrible headaches & going insane.

The Byrd fight I reserve judgement, but tell me what "not real" means to you here.

YES Louis had a better stoppage record & as I said was (significantly) better than Baer, no question. WHo had granite & power/durability gifts like a super-attenuated Tua, but even more limited boxing skills.

But stoppages does not translate directly to absolute power; that is one big factor. Skills, speed, combinations, work rate, reach...all help. Joe Louis hit very hard for any normal man, but many (& Galento & Baer & Satterfield then) hit harder. But he was more accurate with really quick hands, could not protect yourself from/see all blows.

I do not know what you mean by ham & meat above, a reference to "ham & eggers"?

And YES, Tua was better than Galento overall.
Again I was talking about Tougher. Which does not mean a tough er fight unless specified, but fearless & physycially rougher. Not of chin because Tua's was naturally granite, but referring to will & courage.

Galento would not shy away from rushing Lewis or any other man. Of course Lennox would still take him out....

 

So you watched it once.
I watched it 3 to 5 times.

I doubt if Tua lost more than 1 round in that fight.
I already gave my impression of it.

Tua did not try to win. For reasons known to him. Byrd's fighting/boxing ability was not 1 of those reasons.

So after giving a lame excuse to why you think Lewis did not hit harder than Baer what is your reasoning to why Baer hit harder than Lewis?

Did i use the word "ham"? did you see it when you watched Tua vs Ibeabuchi?

As did the inferior Baer. Now if Lewis did not come close to take Tua out, why would Baer manage to make any impression on him? maybe Baer was as effective as Ibeabuchi? the same one you vaguely remember his fight vs Tua and rely on boxrec and media tales to judge his performance vs Tua?

 

Polyamorous genderqueers.

 

Agreed.

 

Lol David Tua fought heavyweight. Pretty much all heavyweights. Most of the guys Galento was fighting would be considered small cruiserweights by modern standards. Galento himself was only 180 or so off pounds before got "fattened" up.

David Tua was tough against modern sized guys. Galento was tough against 180 pound guys.

Tua is overrated to a degree but is light years skill wise, toughness wise, chin wise and talent wise compared to any fighter during that era.

Tua would destroy Galento worse than guys like Joe Louis did.

 

The crucial difference is that Baer was regularly beating people ranked in the top ten, and Tua was beating people who would be ranked in the future, or had been ranked in the past.

Baers record is far far better.