Ali, Frazier and Foreman: What do they do against Lennox Lewis?

you are very funny... joe frazier was naturally much thicker than evander, he had natural hw frame and evander was a skinny long 6´2 185 pounder and then he took roids and hormones and he was a rat gym in order to weigh barelly 209 pounds and joe weighed easily 205-217 between the years 1969 and 72 AND HE NEVER DID TOUCH A WEIGHT. , he was in his peak shape gainst foster at 209 pounds.frazier was naturally the "bigger" man here.

 

Frazier had good footwork in his prime. His stutter step lead foot brought him in closer than he looked, the subtle rolling and weaving closing more distance and generating leverage.

The Frazier that beat ALi had heat seeking left hooks that he could land from outside angles, his footwork could dictate the direction of escape and cut off corners.

He was a rythen fighter, programmed if you like but each move had a purpose. He came up with a double left hook that would have caused more suprise inside the ropes than it would appear from outside the ropes. His energised forceful style drew defensive moves from the opposition, discouraging the usual or planned offensive work from the opponent.

In his absolute prime, albeit a short period, Frazier was a real force for any fighter. A 50-50 chance against most.

 

Don't be ridiculous.

 

Frazier has good hands speed, and a top level hook that he could fire all night, BUT he was short, with a limited ( 73" ) reach. In order to hit Lennox he would have to punch upwards, and get in real close.

This is the only area where Frazier would be dangerous, and he would have to get past Lewis Jab, and smashing right hand. In addition Lewis could clinch Frazier with ease.

Frazier was great, but he was a very limited one punch type of fighter who could only fight one way. Tommy Morrison had an even better hook than Frazier did, but Morrison could not land the punch. Lennox would know where Frazier was dangerous.

I see this as a one side match 7 times out of ten, with Frazier having a puncher's chance to make it close or pull off the upset the other 3 times out of ten. Lewis hits as hard as Foreman, and has far more smarts.

 

Ali didnt trust his legs in FOTC and voluntarily retreated to the ropes notice it didn't happen in the other fights?
Oh I forgot Frazier was a washed up pale shadow of himself at 29
Heat seeking left hooks . Oh Please! atsch Who the **** did he ever knock out? An old Doug Jones that's it.

He's no 50/50 chance against a top level bomber with skills , height weight and reach over him, he is an accident waiting to happen.
Liston ,Foreman,Lewis all ko him. Tua and Ibeabuchi, give him absolute hell and they weren't anything special.

 

You talk out your backside, Ali voluntarily retreated to the ropes. He also let Frazier beat the **** out of him and drop him voluntarily too, notice how it didn't happen in the other fights?? Have you ever watched the Thriller In Manilla??

 

The underlined is a fact , whatever a numpty like you avers.No, I've never seen Ali's trilogy with Frazier, I rely on idiots like you for an impression of them.

 

I don't think Morrison was on Fraziers level. I don't think Tua was on Fraziers level. These guys were built up and could not sustain a full rounds work at the time they met Lewis. Lewis controlled the distance and pace easily against them because they were not as energised nor as effective at what they did at elite level as Joe Frazier was.

As great as Holyfeild was Joe was a better presure fighter than Holyfeild, a spurt fighter who was able to use presure fighter tactics in order to give Lewis a close fight the second time.

If Holyfeild backs up Lewis with just his footwork and half the workrate of a Joe Frazier surely he must be afforded a simular chance as Holyfeild?

 

You are a ****** my friend, yeah Ali is going to lay on the ropes and let Frazier beat the **** out of him. Frazier was no Foreman and was battering Ali constantly. Get watching them you dumbass and you might learn something!

 

I watched then when they happened over 30 years ago.and I'm not your friend.I'm fussy about my company.
You missed the point entirely,even after it was spelled out to you.

The General Lounge awaits you.

 

No I didn't you said Ali voluntarily layed on the ropes when infact he couldn't sustain the early ferocious pace, you also said he didn't sit on the ropes in the other two fights when infact he did plenty of times in the 3rd fight, your bus is ready, please don't lick the windows!

 

I always laugh at those who suggest this was an overly competitive contest. Out of the two fights the first one by any objective measure should have been about 9-3 for Lewis. The second one while closer if you score it round by round it ends up about 8-4 even if I try and given Holyfield every benefit of every close round I only get to 7-5 for Lewis.

So out of 24 rounds its at best 16-8 for Lewis and it could be more like 17-7. How is that particularly close?

 

Ferocious pace ? He retreated to the ropes as he had been doing in sparring,it had become a habit.

Frazier got a break in the 2nd fight when the ref stopped Ali from going after him when he was rocky, claiming he had heard the bell

Prime Ali beats Frazier 7 days a week.

Frazier is built up as some mythic superman .Bonavena gave him life and death twice .Mathis was level on the referee's score card and he wasn't even a ranked heavyweight.
Frazier beat Joe Bugner by 3/4 of a point.JOE BUGNER!

Frazier had ONE great win and he demeaned it by defending against two ham and eggers,tying up the title for 2 years. The only top puncher he faced treated him like a tumble bunny dropping him 7 times in 8rds.

 

What do you mean if you score it round by round? All fights are scored round by round.

By your standards it wasn't particularly close overall but they were at least competative fights wouldn't you say? 5 rounds of a 12 round fight is still competative.

Talking of Lewis v Holyfeild, a lot of fans score one fight a draw and one for Lewis. Others score them one draw,one fight for Holyfeild. Some have it 1-1. Some, like yourself, score both Hollyfeild fights for Lewis.

The controversy with the first fight was over that woman judge who scored Lewis's clearest round for Holyfeild. The minority of the rounds were easy to score but the remainder of the fight contained inconclusive rounds hat could have went either way. Whilst Lewis appeared to have very clear cut rounds that he won big there was not enough of them. Holyfeild did not win many clear rounds as Lewis did but with an equal share of the quiet rounds it would be scored close. He could conceivably be given more of the uneventful rounds. Even the British judge Larry Oconnor scored it 6-6 in rounds. You can land 100 punches and lose a round and in the same fight land 2 punches and win a round. Round by round means each round is an individual fight. Lewis won big on the punch stat total but it means nothing round by round.

 

Err yes it was a ferocious pace or would you call the fight a snails pace??

The only reason he went to the ropes is because he knew his legs wouldn't carry him. Ali wasn't as dumb as you so after taking a pounding whilst on the ropes don't you think he'd have thought " I'm getting I pasting here so I'll move off them and dance?"

Frazier was superhuman on the night of the FOTC make no doubts about that, he walked through Ali who was also fighting amazingly and beat him up. That fight definitely took something out of both of them aswell.

Frazier spent weeks in the hospital after the bout so trust me that fight did lasting damage and he was never the same afterwards, including for the Formean fight which he wouldn't have won anyway even if in his prime.