Roy Jones Jr vs Light Heavyweight Greats of the 1970s and 80s

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I mostly agree with Jim.

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    Where would Roy Jones Jr. (56-8, 40 KO) have fit in the light heavyweight division during the talent rich 70's and early 80's?









    Although Roy Jones also won world titles in the middleweight, super middleweight and heavyweight divisions, he spent more time campaigning as a light heavyweight than in any other weight class.

    As a light heavyweight, his record stands at 18-6, 11 KOs but one lose came via a disqualification in a bout he was winning while the other five occurred after Roy Jones was, arguably, past his prime.

    And by the way, he avenged the disqualification loss to Montell Griffin in their rematch, scoring a dramatic first round knockout.

    Roy Jones vs Light Heavyweight Greats of the 1970s and 80s

    I have picked who, in my opinion, were the ten best light heavyweights of that time period. Eight were champions and two were long time contenders.

    I then matched each against Roy in scheduled fifteen round bouts as they were back then. Based on my recollections of these boxers talents, I have formed the following scenarios.


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    PIERRE FOURIE
    - Pierre was a gifted boxer, but a light hitter. What saw him through two wars a piece against Bob Foster and Victor Galindez was his craftiness and his durability. Those same attributes would probably carry him fifteen rounds against Jones. Fourie would steal a few rounds, but drop a rather one sided decision. Jones via wide wide unanimous decision.

    YAQUI LOPEZ - Yaqui fought them all - Galindez, Conteh, Saad Muhammad, Spinks, and Rossman. He was a strong, durable fighter with a decent punch. His drawbacks were slow hands and feet and that he cut easily. Roy used to eat up slow fighters. This one would have resembled Jones' bout with Del Valle. Jones by shutout decision or late round stoppage.

    MARVIN JOHNSON - This one could be interesting. Marvin's southpaw style and aggression may surprise Roy. In the early going, Roy would have his hands full. But Marvin was like a wind-up toy and as he started to slow down Roy would begin take over and punish him. Its exciting while it lasts but would be only a matter of time. Jones by knockout between rounds 7 and 10.

    VICTOR GALINDEZ - Styles make fights and Victor was made to order for Roy. Victor's style of leaning against the ropes and covering up while waiting to throw countershots would be suicidal against Jones. Galindez was a tough guy and I don't know if Jones could have knocked him down, but Roy would have cut him to ribbons. Jones would stop Victor on cuts within ten rounds.

    MATTHEW SAAD MUHAMMAD- Try as he might, I don't think Saad would be able to catch Roy with his hammer like right hand. I think Roy would box cautiously respecting Saad's power. Jones would be in and out punching in flurries and piling up points. Saad's tendency to cut could play a role here. Jones by decision or late round stoppage.


    DWIGHT MUHAMMAD QAWI- The didn't call Dwight the "Camden Buzzsaw" for nothing. This man was mean aggression done with style.
    A prime Michael Spinks and Evander Holyfield had all they could do to edge past him. Styles make fights and this is one style that could trouble Roy.




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    Jones would have to box Qawi just like Holyfield did in their first fight. It would be all action and I wouldn't be surprised if Roy didn't hit the canvas in this one. And Qawi may have too. Roy has a lot of good qualities but he has yet to prove he has Holyfield's heart or chin. I'll go out on a limb and take Qawi by decision.

    MICHAEL SPINKS - How can a fighter do so much wrong and yet never lose a fight at 175 pounds? The "Spinks Jinx" is how. Roy would respect Michael's power but Spinks looks so easy to hit that Roy would try to go after him. Jones would land his share of shots, but Mike's twisting, turning style would keep him from putting too many together.


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    When there is a lull in the action, Spinks would trade jabs with Jones on a fairly even basis. As the bout wears on past the tenth round Roy is becoming frustrated by Mike's style. Although ahead on points Jones in his frustration gets careless and the "Spinks Jinx" takes him out. Spinks by a late round come from behind knockout.

    BOB FOSTER - The most intimidating light heavyweight of our time. I honestly think Bob would come into this bout with a strong dislike for Jones. You don''t trash talk Bob Foster and we know how Bob gets when he's angry. Remember Vincente Rondon? That's not saying that Roy is anything like Rondon, but Jones would be facing a man who was jabbing on even terms with Muhammad Ali !!! Roy's speed would give Foster trouble early on but Roy would have trouble getting past Bob's jab.


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    I think once Roy tasted Foster's power he'd be on his bicycle for the rest of the evening.


    This could be like Foster's bout with Ray Anderson. Foster by easy decision or by kayo, anytime.

    EDDIE MUSTAPHA MUHAMMAD - This may have been more competitive at 160 pounds. At this light heavyweight Eddie, although a dangerous puncher, was slow. He would try to counter punch Roy with little success. Jones would out speed and out box Eddie and win an easy, boring decision.

    JOHN CONTEH - Conteh may have been one of the best boxers to come out of England in the last thirty years. In his prime, he was a masterful boxer and a hard puncher. This could have turned into a chess match and there would be some exciting exchanges. The difference here would be Roy's slightly quicker hands and Conteh's weak chin. Jones by a hard earned decision or a late round stoppage.
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    Summary:
    Jones is 7-3 versus the light heavyweight division's best during the 1970s and 80s.

    Well I'm sure I've rubbed a lot of Roy Jones fans the wrong way. The three boxers I picked to beat Roy are all in the Hall Of Fame so there is no shame there.
    Roy dominated a weak division for a very long time.


    Although not his fault, it is very difficult to determine how good Roy really was at light heavyweight. By the time some tough competition appeared, Roy's skills had started to erode.

    Antonio Tarver and Glencoffe Johnson, both of whom KO'd Jones in the light heavyweight division, are very good fighters and worthy champions. Still I'll aways feel that a prime Roy Jones Jr. would have handled them.

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  2. Stevie G

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    Pretty much how I envisage it. I disagree with your assessment of Conteh's chin,though. At his very best,John's whiskers were as solid as most. He was totally washed up by the time the second Saad Muhammad fight came around
     
  3. Mendoza

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    This is not my article, its Jim Amato's. I agree with his picks, and feel -Jones would go either 7-3 or 6-4.

    I cannot see Jones taking a fight with Foster. I doubt he would fight Qawi as well.

    Conteh's durability was okay in my book.
     
  4. Clinton

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    True. John's Chin was defo solid throughout his career
     
  5. tennis

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    Jones beats all easily

    Spinks gives the best test

    But still a wide UD

    Roy in his prime would probably trouble Ali in his prime

    Even Roy weighed 175
     
  6. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Foster knocks Jones cold at some time in their fight...Roy would be out like a light.
     
  7. VG_Addict

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    What if Roy fought Michalczewski, Eubank, Collins, Rocchigiani, and Benn?
     
  8. Thread Stealer

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    Live underdog, but underdog nonetheless, against Spinks and Foster.

    Qawi would give him hell, but I think RJJ pulls out a close decision.
     
  9. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jones would be in the thick of it, but only 3 or 4 would beat him.
     
  10. Seamus

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    Voice of reason.
     
  11. SILVER SKULL 66

    SILVER SKULL 66 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hell if Tarver and Glen johnson KTFO Roy jones, Foster would have torn his head off, and Spinks also...

    Jones best win he beat a lumbering Mediocre Ruiz, Spinks beat a true HOF in Holmes 2x!

    Holyfield started out as a LHW in 1984:huh, he would have beat Roy Jones to a pulp, and i would put money on Qwai beating him also..
     
  12. Balder

    Balder Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Nice to see folks finally judging Roy Jones without the rose colored glasses on.

    I thought the article was spot on.
     
  13. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I pretty much agree with the article...Sadd might catch Roy in an exchange...maybe. Roy was the goods.
     
  14. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have to disagree that he could stop Saad. There's a slight chance that Saad could be stopped on cuts, but Roy's not gonna take him out otherwise. He could possibly outpoint him but no one stopped Saad in his prime, conversely Jones didn't KO many opponents at 175, although he did stop Hill with a body shot. Saad had much more than just a powerful right hand in his prime. He had movement, when he chose to use it, an underrated body attack - which would come in handy vs. a mover like Jones. Saad was also very physically strong and had a devastating left uppercut and good left hook. Jones is gonna have to move and box for all 12 or 15 rounds to outpoint Saad.
     
  15. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    These fights did not happen in Jones 175 lb. prime and you know it. Also, Holyfield fought at 175 for only a few fights. The novice 175 lb. Holyfield would beat the prime 175 lb. Jones? No