Bermane Stiverne vs. Deontay Wilder speculation & discussion

Bermane will fall no matter how injured or how healthy he is. This guy can't take those punches in the head and stand up and he doesn't have the body movement and the mobility to keep Wilder from landing it. Wake up people.

 

And wilder can take a punch?

 

Uh, nothing new here, we knew from the get-go that Stiverne-Wilder was supposed to be in november. We just didn't know exactly why, now we know.

 

I was literally coming in to say this exact same thing, written this exact same way. :?

 

What are the odds on that?

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Maybe it's your lucky day and you can pick the exact same numbers that gives you the lotto jackpot :yep

 

Dorf has a point.

In that Stiverne is the least mobile HW titlist including the robotic Wladimir and the Chubbaev.

Meaning......Wilder has his best chance at picking up the title off Stiverne.

Vs Chubbaev, Wilder would have to keep Chubby off his chest, and I would say that Chubby and Stiverne are on par chinwise. So Wilder would not be getting full extension on his shots and we havent seen him KO anyone on the inside. He's back a couple guys off inside, and he's finished guys who were ready to go, inside, but he's never one punch KOd someone with a short punch, UP OR DOWN.

So vs Chubby, his inside game would be tested.

Vs Wlad, Wilder would have to establish a jab and bring his R hand over Wlads pawing. trouble is, that Wlad doesnt have a tell on his jab. He may paw with it, then pull it to throw the R hand, but it's the L hook that connects. Wilder would need to time Wlad and get inside. Some of the finest pros and Ams over the past 25 yrs havent been able to do so. So there's no telling which rd it would end. Likely the 2nd with Wilder on his back.

Vs Wlad, his outside game would be mute.

Now....vs Stiverne.....a natural CPer carrying 20lbs of spare tire, Wilder woudl only have to change up speed and mix his jab and hook. Not always the easiest thing to do, but he's got the range to keep the fight outside and keep Stiverne at the end of his punches. While Stiverne and Chagaev have more sturdy chins than Wlad, they don't have his outside game or his jab and grab defense. Sitverne leans and looks to counter. He might catch Wilder in rd 1 and be able to finish him, it's a likely occurrence, but if Wilder gets up and gets smart, he'll keep the fight at distance and make Stiverne take chances. Also, Stiverne is easy to time. His jab is solid and strong but he doesnt change the speed or power on it unless it's a defensive jab or a range finder. Stiverne has not shown a good fight off the front foot, and he'd need to if he is to beat Wilder.

Can Stiverne time Wilder taking chances.......probably.
Can Wilder contain his nerves and make an outside fight? Probably not.

But the chances are there and they're greater than vs Chubby or Wlad.:think

 

Damn it. :twisted:

 

Wilder fans seem to revert every argument back to, but he has power and long arms he will knock them out before they can do anything

This is ******ed logic and doesn't take into account boxing skills,chin, footwork,experince and stamina all area where wilder is either seriously lacking or could be seriously lacking

Firtha the first half way durable heavyweight he faught went 4 rounds with him almost the same as fury, wilder wouldn't be able to survive 4 rounds in the ring with stiverne

He will only have 2 mins ring time in a year and a half by the time this fight comes around, that would put anyone at a big disadvantage and could be mean stiverne could catch him very cold early. Il be backing stiverne by first Round ko

 

I don't believe there is such a thing as a Wilder fan.

There's either Klitchko haters or racist nationalists who pull for Wilder. Put him in with a black american with and equal chance at greatness, say Washington or Martin, and Wilders fanbase is cut clear by 80%.

That said, I havent seen many ppl actually praising Wilder. I merely commented that of Wlad, Chagaev, and Stiverne, that Wilders best chance of winning a belt is vs the latter due to his own limitations.
I know what you mean about Wilders power being overrated since he took time to stop KPrice, Beck, and Firtha. But he did to Liakovich what no one thought was possible, much less how he did it.

As far as ring rust.....Wilder stays in the gym, and his style is such that he's gonna KO his guy in 7 or less rds, or he's gonna get KOd himself. But......my guess is we'll see a stay busy fight vs someone similar to Stiverne but without the prowess....someone like Darrel David Madison.:think

 

Okay, it comes down to that. First, appreciation to chitownfightfan because he not only understood the point but he put the problem in the global context including Wladimir and his ability to take it as well as to keep it from taking it.
This is my problem Joejr: If it was a question of Bermane taking the fight to Deontay, then I would not be beating the drum for Deontay so soon cause both hit and both have proved that they can step around and make it easierfor themselves. Question is that Stiverne is not gonna hit Deontay out of defense and least of all in an onslaugh of offense - either way he will get tagged and it doesn't matter the quality of opposition Wilder has been with. The guy will crack Stiverne sooner rather than later so the most stupid thing you can expect is for Bermane to penetrate Wilder's defenses like he's a Tyson of the 2000s or punch fast and crisply like he was some sort of Tony Tubbs of this era and hit the jackpot. Bermane is an ex-Champion in the making and answering your straight question - in case, he hits Deontay, he will have to walk thru so many blows, his punch will never have any effect on Wilder or anybody that would be there, including Arreola.

 

stallin....trying to extend his time with that belt. lol.

 

This sucks.

If anything about this is "shady," it could be two things: 1) Don King being Don King and/or 2) Wilder wanting another tune up.

 

Wilder should of had a few fights since that Scott debacle. His activity is a joke for a guy who only fights waste-men.

 

Wilder could take a warm up perhaps he could give Charlie z a rematch

 

Wilder don't want it