What can Wlad do now to elevate himself ahead of Lewis in the atg standings?

Purrity knocked Wlad out, Sanders knocked his ass out, and so did Brewster. He didn't even try to avenge the first two and only fought Brewster again after one of his eyes stopped working.

Nobody is claiming that Wilder is the greatest HW of all time, you absolute ****ing muppet. Stop making **** up. :nono

 

Win his next 5 fights.

If he can beat the top contenders and grab the last belt he will be above Lennox.

Wlad
67-3 (21 title defenses, Undisputed Champion w/ all major belts)

Lennox
41-2-1 (14 title defenses)

 

Nothing.

Lewis beat way better fighters.

 

I don't think there is a good chance Wlad could ever rank ahead of Lewis who I have at #3 HW behind Ali and Louis...

In a weird way, It hurts Wlad that the best HW BY FAR other than himself in his championship era, was his brother, and of course you don't fight your brother.

I think Wlad will lack the competition and names that Lennox had, and honestly I think Lennox H2H was much better..

It would take a lot for more for me to consider ranking Wlad with Lennox.

 

It is irrelevant if he never loses again and retires with 75 wins, this division is absolutely horrible compared to the one Lewis reigned over.

Likewise Lewis was a more versatile fighter with a more versatile skill set and was able to go toe to toe if that was what required victory. No fighter that avoids engagement and panics when hit flush like Wlad does can be considered on level with a real great, no matter the talent level.

You Klitschko boosters are delusional and lack an eye for boxing's finer details.

 

Vlad isnt better than Lennox. This era is too weak, his style is too boring and his loses are to guys that should never have beaten him. Lennox lost to some underachievers also but he also crushed them both in rematches. Vlad is really good and a H2H nightmare. But I will always rate Lonnex a level above Vlad

 

That's it, keep it coming

 

Absolutely nothing Wlad isn't worthy of carrying Lennox jockstrap.
Wlad had the chance to challenge Lennox after he'd TKO'd Vitali but he chickened out and took to the hillsatsch

 

impossible. LL h2h the goat and best hw i ever seen

 

All of your posts in this thread have been damned good.

Good stuff from a new poster. :good:!:

 

Wlad was LL's mandatory in 2001 and 2002.

 

Ridiculous. If he beats Joe Louis' record he will possibly be #1 All-Time and will definitely be above Lewis.

 

He was the WBO champ and thus not Ranked by WBC so how could he be a mandatory ?

 

k2 has turned the world title into a regional title.

shame, they started with real promise.

 

I'm a big time Wlad fan, but I'd like to say I'm a reasonable fan. I'll show my bias from time to time but I'll try to give a fair assessment

Peak vs Peak

Wlad

2005-present a 9 year span won 3 of the 4 major titles a very difficult feat and has the ring title which he got by beating Chagaev and has the lineage, some took longer than others to acknowledge but he clearly established a new line. During this time he beat 8 former or future heavyweight beltholders and a cruiserweight beltholder. He took seven "0's" during this time frame. He has fought and beat the best challengers available

Lennox

Peak could either be from 1995 when he beat Morrison or you could say it was from 1999 depending on if you felt he didnt reach the top til beating Holyfield. Either way it was 4 or 8 years as the best. Say you go the 8 year peak he beat many champs, if you consider early WBO he beat Morrison and Mercer who held that title, but also beat more legit title claimants like McCall, Briggs, Rahman, Klitschko, Holyfield and Tyson. He was knocked out during his peak but did avenge it conclusively

Difference in reigns

Lennox had something that Wlad didnt really have when he was champ. Lennox had several legends floating around for him to face. Lewis fought Holyfield as well as Tyson. When Wladimir hit his peak he really did not have any legends or former greats to face.

Wladimir unlike Lewis did not fracture the titles to let lesser guys have them. Wlad recently has faced his worst challengers but in between the bad defenses he still beats the top guys around him like Povetkin and Haye. He will fight a weak fight to keep the belts. Lewis gave away a few titles whereas Wlad kept his dominance something that I feel counts for something.

Lewis had several opponents go on to do more in the sport thus enhancing his legacy. Klitschko went on to become the dominant champ immediately after Lennox retired and later in his comeback reigned for several years with many defenses. Rahman won back the WBc. Briggs went on to win the WBO and Holyfield had a very competitive performance with Valuev. Wladimir on the other hand will have to wait and see if anyone from his reign will be able to do much.

Funny thing is it seems he has outlasted his era. A lot of guys he beat are now retired and wont really do much from here. Povetkin might win another belt at some point. Maybe Haye but I doubt it. Peter managed to win another belt and Chagaev is semi back in the mix.

Wlad doesnt get much help legacy wise from his era. Lennox had very well known fighters on his record. Wlads era to me isnt as bad as others have said but its not great. Wlad in some ways is as good as Lewis. He has been on top for similar or more time. He unified the same amount of titles. He kept the titles unified longer. But he never beat a legend or true HOF fighter

my other problem with trying to put Wlad over Lewis is that Wlad bombed in some of his biggest fights. I'm a massive Wlad fan but you cant really get me to sit down and watch the 36 rounds of Wlad vs Haye, Povetkin and Ibragimov. He had the spotlight and the TV networks and people were getting interested again and he couldnt perform in a way to keep the interest.

Lewis didnt set the world on fire in all of his fights but he was in an all time classic with Vitali and bombed out Rahman in the rematch and crushed Grant and had a pretty entertaining fight with Briggs

For Wlad to eclipse Lewis he will probably have to reign a little bit longer and maybe have a guy he beats really turn into the dominant force.