Is there much difference between top p4p amateurs and pros these days?

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  1. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lets be honest, Rigondeaux and Lomachenko are 2 of the best fighters in the world already. Rigondeaux probably the best and Loma looks to be next p4p king in waiting. Both turned pro relatively late and stayed and conquered the ams. I watched some of Loma's fights earlier, Toledo for example is a much better fighter than Gary Russell Jr and Loma beat him several times.

    Especially these days, watching top amateur (WSB) fights is as good, if not better than 'pro' fights.
     
  2. Joejr

    Joejr Boxing Addict banned

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    Not much difference, most top ams would be close to being top pros and that's why there fast tracked

    Selby or aloyan,Barnes would give even the top pros at flyweight a run for there money with no experince

    Ramirez at bantamweight is an amazing boxer

    Lazaro Alvarez would be a great pro

    Toledo and sotologo would do great

    Same with ward and de la cruz at light heavy , savon at cruiser and medzhidov,omarov,toiric,dychko,at heavy
     
  3. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes, more body shots in pros, more rounds, harder punches, no head gear, and usually more punches in amateurs for points.............
     
  4. weegriffin

    weegriffin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Salido a good pro beat an ATG amateur.
     
  5. Lartize

    Lartize Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah, who was fighting at least a weightclass down. Salido didnt even try to make weight, he gets as much credit for that as Hopkins does for Oscar, which is very very little. Although it was interesting to see the cap on someones ability so early in their career, normally takes many many many more fights to have some of those questions answered.
     
  6. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Welterweight vs Lightweight fight night.. 2 weight classes diff
     
  7. weegriffin

    weegriffin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That is part of the Pro game though, weigh ins are 24 hours before the fight and many fighters take full advantage of it.

    That is one of the difference between Pros and Amateurs.
     
  8. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Salido didn't weigh in at the contracted weight though so in essence, he cheated.
     
  9. weegriffin

    weegriffin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True but Lomachenko chose to go through with the fight.

    His team lacked Pro experience as it is common when a fighters weighs in heavy to have a contracted weight on the night that he is only allowed to rehydrate to.

    Also he was outweighed by 10 lbs which isn't uncommon in the Pros.
     
  10. Lartize

    Lartize Active Member Full Member

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    Which should be conisdered when weighing how good Loma and Salido actually are from the fight. Which is why the fight means about as much as Oscar vs Hopkins. Or if Adonis Stevenson fought Chisroa AT Heavyweight.
     
  11. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pro fighters are better. The very elite pros are better than the very elite ams. Rigo was better than Donaire the day he became pro. But Donaire isn't in the very elites.
     
  12. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was only 10 pounds? That's nothing. I don't wanna hear that BS. He lost.
     
  13. DonnyMo

    DonnyMo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To be the best amateur in the world (at a light weight class) it means you have elite speed…and speed kills.

    Today's pro's don't have the fundamental amateur boxing background (many hit the game late) and cut their teeth on cupcakes until they reach the world level.

    A top amateur can come in dominate, yes. We're already seeing it.

    This will be more pronounced in the future now that the amateur rules have changed. 10 point must, no headgear, and body punching scores. Guys will come in more complete for the pro game.
     
  14. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    The top amateurs aren't much worse than the top pros, but Lomachenko vs Salido shows that the pros still have a bit on the amateurs in terms of experience and know how. A top amateur isn't going to come straight into the pros and beat Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Wladimir Klitschko, or Andre Ward either. So I guess it's worth enough to be a contender in your division, but probably not the dominant champion.
     
  15. weegriffin

    weegriffin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was rated Top 5 P4P before the Rigondeaux loss if that's not Elite what is?

    Lomachenko weighed 136 lbs and Salido 147 lbs so 11 lbs.