Roy Jones vs Haye at CW

this is true. this is worse than some of the worst recorded losses of HW champions such as wlad losing to a 37 year old nobody retiree.

 

There's a lot of things to consider.

Would Haye have committed himself to have gone for a knockout?

Again, I can envisage Haye winning, but in no way do I see it as a mismatch.

Roy's speed would have caused trouble to almost any CW/HW.

 

There's a reason Roy hand-picked Ruiz. Because he was a slow, featherfisted, relatively small HW. Roy would have been put in a coma against most of the other top HWs.

 

one cannot rulem out a 'world atg' against a 'great brit' level guy who is one weight division higher. haye is not a great, he is merely pretty good, and is guilty of cherrypicking the weakest hws too.

 

haye easily

haye is stronger and a cruiserweight jones aint much faster.

 

Ruiz wasn't handpicked.

Roy would have been put into a coma by any HW, IF they'd have had the opportunity to have landed flush.

The keyword being IF.

 

Lewis and either Klit would beat Roy by early KO.

 

I don't think wlad would ko roy , he would be too terrified of this former light middle and do his run and hug thing until roy tired. it would certainly be an extraordinarily surreal sight mind you, watching this superheavy giant running in fear from a tiny guy.

vitali certainly has the goods to ko roy though, as does lewis who obviously kills him.

 

You're entitled to your opinion.

But I don't agree.

I don't think there's many HW's that would have knocked out Roy early.

Roy was so fast, his movement would have troubled anybody.

How on earth does someone like Wlad knock Roy out early?

What do you class as early?

Rounds 1-3?

Wlad's a safety first fighter, who was troubled by Haye's movement when he had him up against the ropes. He's cautious. I'm sure he'd have respected Roy's hand speed.

I can see all of the guys beating him, but I can't even see Lewis knocking him out in the first few rounds.

I think the first couple of rounds would have been feeling out rounds.

I think you're either exaggerating, or you're dismissing Roy's incredible speed.

The only guy I could see knocking Roy out early, was a young version of Mike Tyson.

 

My first reaction to the question is Roy has more tools. His boxing knowledge is off the charts. Can Has anyone seen a 2nd style of fighting from Haye? Plus can you really see Roy getting hit by single punches at that stage of his career?
I think it's a competitive fight, Haye has to the ability to put him to sleep but Roy has the ability to nullify Haye.

 

Roy was a fast super middleweight with decent speed at heavyweight but let's not kid ourselves and act like he was something he was certainly not. There is a reason Jones took the path of least resistance to a heavyweight title by fighting Ruiz. He wanted no part of Lewis or either Klitschko.

Roy had a glass chin at light heavyweight, how could he take shots from super heavyweight punchers? Please don't tell me it would be by running away, the slow flat footed Ruiz tagged him in round 1 of their fight. He also had no power at heavyweight so there is nothing stopping Lewis or Klitschkos from stalking him. If Lewis or either Klitschko hit him with even a slight jab he would be on ***** Street.

Against Haye at Cruiser Roy speed advantage would be negligible. Haye is naturally the much bigger man. Haye had great power at cruiser weight and good power as a heavyweight. The second Roy gets hit hard he's going down. I don't see how he avoids the bombs from the Hayemaker. Roy wouldn't have a chance.

Prime Tyson? The Tyson that stepped into the ring against Lewis in 2002 would have dispatched Roy with ease.

 

You're entitled to your opinion.

I've never said that I couldn't envisage the above guys winning.

I'm just stating that it wouldn't be early in my opinion.


Roy had decent speed at HW?

Decent?

Ha!

He had incredible hand speed at HW.


He didn't take the path of least resistance.

He wasn't interested in the Klitschko's of the world, because he was approaching 35 and he wanted mega money to stay at HW.

He was on course to meet Tyson in 2004, and a Holyfield fight was a whisker away from being made until Murad Muhammad and Don King got too greedy and scuppered the deal in 2003.

Evander eventually signed to fight Toney for less money, because he was so pissed with King.


I never mentioned the word running.

I said his speed would cause a variety of problems.

Ruiz knocked down Holyfield.

Roy has a glass chin and was a LHW.

What happened?

Did Ruiz knock him dead?

No. He couldn't touch him.

Because Roy gained his respect early, and he was too elusive.


Speed can offset many things.


You talk about Haye's bombs, but how do we know that Haye would have gone at Roy throwing bombs?

You don't know that.

Roy could have earn this respect, and made him very cautious.


You say that the second Roy gets hit, he was going down. I agree entirely. But again, they had to catch him flush.

Ruiz at 220 plus pounds, had the power to put him asleep for a week.


A jab would have put him on ***** street?

Don't exaggerate.


With regards to fighting a 2002 version of Tyson, there's not a doubt in my mind that Roy wouldn't have beaten him. Mike was completely finished. He was out of shape and out of love with boxing, only half heartedly training and taking fights, to pay the bills.

Did you see the Lewis fight? Mike's corner man screamed at him to let his hands go, and Mike just looked at him and said "I can't." The fight was a joke. Danny Williams and Kevin McBride would never have made it out of the first round back in the day.

I don't think Mike could have found Roy's chin at that point.

 

roy had speed was decent? :rofl klittards

 

If you don't want to admit that Jones took the easier road to get a hw belt then I really don't know what to say. Ruiz was seen as a safe fight, that's why Jones fought him.

You can't use an example from his one hw fight with Ruiz to compare with a fantasy fight with Haye. They are two completely different animals. I just see Haye knocking Roy senseless in the early rounds. Roy doesn't have the style or physical capabilities to give Haye a hard fight.

You are probably right about him not being interested in fighting Klitschko but that doesn't mean he would have gotten his ass kicked if he did fight him, He would have just like the other slickster Wladimir destroyed in Chris Byrd.


Tyson couldn't let his hands go against Lewis because he was worried about Lewis power and getting knocked out. Tyson immediately came out aggressive against Lewis in round 1 and then took 3 brutal uppercut and never gave Lewis serious pressure for the rest of the fight. It also didn't help that Lewis was the best fighter that Tyson had ever fought.

It's interesting you use convenient revisionist thinking and say Tyson was shot then because Tyson was the #1 contender by the WBC and was ranked no lower than 3rd by any other sanctioning bodies. He was still good enough to warrant getting a title shot. Dude I'm not sure if you were around boxing at that time but Tyson was seen as a legitimate threat to knocking out Lewis. Lewis was only about a 2 to 1 favorite for that fight. Many of my friends and co workers that were into boxing thought Tyson was going to knock him out. I was one of the only people in my circle that believed Lewis would beat Tyson to a bloody pulp. I won some hefty office bets

Roy doesn't have the power to keep 2002 Tyson off or gain his respect like Lewis did. Tyson won his next fight by first round ko then was on his way to knocking Williams out before he tore out his knee and when he fought Mcbride he was a complete shadow of himself, by far the worst Tyson that ever step into the ring.

 

Haye would be dangerous with that powerful, fast right hand, and he was naturally larger, but RJJ was simply a much better fighter with so many more tools than Haye

Haye's one of the most overrated fighters in recent years IMO. I'd pick the Roy who fought Ruiz to win a safety-cautious decision.