Johnson & Jeannette's Common Opponents

Not in the US ,where the Jeannette fights were promoted. My position is the US Government and the local boxing commissions bear the brunt.I wish it had happened especially after all the BS Jeannette came out with in later years about being only middleweight when he lost to Jack and being deliberately fouled.Johnson had him on the verge of a stoppage tiwce in short fights but ran out of rounds .

 

We dont know how Langford,Jeannette and McVey would do against prime versions of Johnson either.:think Nothing in their records gives me any pause to think they would reverse those results against a prime Johnson. Pollack says both Choynski and Johnson were around the same weight, for years you've been trumpeting Johnson was ko'd by a "supper" middle neglecting to point out that Johnson was around the same weight.
You could fairly say Johnson was a long way short of his prime when he fought Choynski too could you not?

As to Johnson v Johnson ,you give the champion no leeway for having broken arm for 7 rds? Thats very objective of you.

 

And of course you have concrete offers from those areas which you are just dying to share with us.atsch

 

Well you believe what you want to believe.
And I sincerely hope it is a comfort to you.

Fact number one

Twenty six years old Jeannette fought his last fight with Jack Johnson on.
26th of November 1906.


Fact number 2
Eight months prior to that ,on the 14th of March, Jeannette scaled 185lbs when he fought Johnson,Johnson was 205lbs.
So Jeannette supposedly dropped 20lbs at the age of 26 to fight Johnson , why would he do that do you think?

Fact number 3
Five months after fighting his last bout with Johnson, Jeannette fought Sam McVey, he scaled 185lbs for that fight.


Fact number 4

Sixteen months after his last fight with Johnson ,Jeannette scaled 200lbs for a fight with Sam Langford.Do you believe he added 35lbs to his physique in16 months?


Fact number 5
In all their fights Jeannette never had Johnson in any trouble, he only won one of them, and that on a disputed foul .
Fact number 6
Johnson had Jeannette on the floor multiple times in their bouts and a stoppage appeared imminent in two of those fights but because of the brevity of the bouts Johnson did not have time to achieve it.

Jeannette was a bean pole in1908? That year he weighed 200lbs at 5 foot ten, that is some bean pole!

Given the comparison of their common opponents what is the basis for stating Jeannette was Johnson's equal?

Did Johnson lose to Battling Jim Johnson , Sandy Ferguson,Sam Langford,Morris Harris, Black Bill,Sam McVey ?

Would he have lost to Kid Norfolk ,Jack Thomas,Jeff Clark[receiving35lbs]?

I say no .


I say there is no rational ,logical basis for stating that Joe Jeannette was ever Jack Johnson's equal.
The same goes for Sam Langford, Jeannete never proved he was equal to him though he often outweighed him by considerable margins in losing fights


Johnson was a better boxer than Jeannette, he had better defence, a better chin ,and more power.
Jack Johnson many times went on record as stating he considered McVey and Langford his most dangerous opponents he rated Jeannette as inferior to both of them and I've come to the same conclusion



Your tome is a litany of mis-spelt fan boy praise

 

Please produce CONCRETE offers from these localities.I know you have no regard for this champion but let your mind run free for a moment,put yourself in his position and then come back and pontificate.

 

You say it is very simple and compare Johnson to Jeffries,Corbett ,and Fitzsimmons.There is one undeniable difference and that is what shaped Johnson's path. His colour, no US promoter would put on a fight for the heavyweight title involving to black men,not Jim Coffroth, Barney Curley or Tex Rickard.When McMahon tried twice to promote a Johnson v Jeannette fight he was blocked by the authorites whether you choose to believe it or not is immaterial, it's a fact.

Hugh McIntosh was prepared to promote Champion Johnson against Langford and McVey Johnson accepted the package deal in principal but McIntosh then withdrew the offer on account of Johnson's fall from grace with the US authorities. this is also an undeniable fact. Johnson prior to beating Burns signed to fight Langford in the UK but reneged on it stating the purse was too small which it undoubtedly was. You can say he should have kept his word although he was being shortchanged
, but he was now the champion who had been forced to challenge for a pittance , he wanted $30,000 to defend his crown ,the same as Burns had received for defending against him.
This seems a reasonable stance to me ,Johnson took full page ads in national newpapers stating he would defend against ANYONE for a purse of $30,000 .

Joe Woodman,Langfords manager tried to ante up a cash binder to cement a bout but failed to find the do re mi.

You may say Johnson was not broken hearted that he didn't have to face Langford and could take on the likes of Flynn for the purse he required but that doesn't mean he would not have fought Langford or Jeannette if the $$$ and in Jeannette's case the authorites were agreeable.

What did Jeannette ever show in their fights that Johnson should fear him?
Apart from McIntosh's withdrawn offer , I've never seen a primary source that gives a concrete offer for Johnson to defend his title for $30,000 in any of those countries you cited or anywhere else.
I think you are being naive if you can seperate Johnson's title reign from the colour of his skin, it was the very thing that defined his title tenure.

Jeffries, Fitz and Corbett may have been able to pick and chose whom they fought Johnson's choice was dictated by the public who wanted him to defend against white hopes.
It wasn't Johnson that ****ed up his title reign, it was the public opinion of America