Roy Jones vs Haye at CW

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The question is would haye land 1 right hand or left hook over the course of 12 rounds? The awnser is yes of course he will, and that's all it will take to put jones jr out. Haye is a huge puncher even at heavyweight and has more than enough speed to land big on jones. Haye KO within 5, the size difference is massive.

 

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It wasn't a safe fight, and Roy was open to having more fights at HW.

Again, you're entitled to your opinion.

But I take lots of things into consideration when I offer my thoughts.

I don't think Haye would have knocked him senseless early.

You're under the impression that Haye would have just gone over and unloaded heavy bombs and gotten him out of there.

I don't think he would have.

Because Haye has huge respect for Roy, and he's been very cautious in certain fights.

He also doesn't throw many combinations.

Roy was faster than Haye and if he could have gained Haye's respect early, by tagging him hard, it would have made Haye back off.

That's exactly what I think would have happened.

I think Roy's speed would have given Haye a lot to think about, and he wouldn't have committed himself early on.

I think the early rounds would have been very cautious.

Now again, I'm not saying that I can't envisage Haye eventually getting to him and knocking him out.

But IMHO, Haye wouldn't have just walked over and started banging.

Look at the Valuev and Wlad fights.

Look how cautious he was.

Speed is respected just as much as power is.

I'm certain that Roy's speed would have made him think in there.


The other thing to consider is, this fantasy fight is based on Haye being at CW.

Which means that at that point, Haye wouldn't have a single fight at HW.


So you'd have got a 28 year old Haye who's biggest wins were against Mormeck and Enzo Mac, facing the worlds best fighter, who was a legend, and who's style he'd copied.

I think psychology plays a huge part in the outcomes of fights.

This would have been a HUGE fight for Haye.


So again, I don't see how Haye in this huge fight, against a guy who he has huge respect for, just walks over and starts throwing huge shots to get him out of there.

Again, I respect your opinion, but this is the way I see it.


Haye certainly had the tools to put Roy to sleep, but would he have had the mindset and the confidence to go for it early?

I don't think so.

I think if Haye had stopped him, it would have been in the second half of the fight.

Again, I can see the K bros beating Roy, but neither brother would have just walked over and ended things early.

I can't envisage that.

Mike couldn't let his hands go, because he was no longer in fight mode. He was just collecting his money to pay off his debts.

It was sad watching him look forlorn saying to his trainer "I can't"

I don't care what the rankings say, everybody who'd watched Mike throughout his career knew he was shot.

Roy was still ranked high at LHW in 2008 when he fought Calzaghe.

Nobody gives Lewis a lot of credit for that win.

I like many others wanted to believe that Mike could catch him, but I knew in my heart that he couldn't.

I honestly believe that the odds were due to people like me, who wanted it to happen so bad, they made a bet.

Loads of my mates bet on Mike to win, just because they were huge fans.

I knew he was getting smashed up.

His camp was a mess, his private life was a mess, he hadn't looked good against Neilsen and the others. His timing was off, he was out of condition etc.

He was a shell of his former self.

He'd fell out of love with fighting, and the motivation was gone.

He was just going through the motions to pick up his cheque.


Let me ask you this, what did you make off the press conference scuffle?

I've always said that it had to have been a set up.

Because if it hadn't have been, I want someone to explain to me how a guy fighting for the HW championship, could miss a guy, from only a few feet away?

Go and watch the video.

It's bizarre.

That guy was literally only a few feet away from Mike, and Mike missed COMPLETELY with his left hand that he threw.

I've never seen anything like it in my life.

If he didn't purposely miss, then he shouldn't have been anywhere near Lennox Lewis and a boxing ring.

Give me your thoughts.

The video is on YouTube.

He literally couldn't miss him from that range.

Speed is power.

Roy's speed in 2003 would have been more than enough to have troubled that version of Mike.

He wouldn't have been static like Etienne.

 

I didnt even read all of that Loudon. It looked a bit of an epic post.

Still either way, I would favour Haye by quick explosive KO

 

Haye's too big for Roy, I think he'd knock Jones out. I don't think Jones would be able to beat a real top class fighter with that kind of speed, power and movement above 175.

 

I don't know why you'd tell everyone that you haven't read my post?


Anyway, like everyone else you're entitled to your opinion.


But it's a shame you didn't read it, because we could have had a great debate.


Now when Haye was at CW, he was 28 and he obviously hadn't fought at HW before.

That means his biggest wins would have been against Mormeck and Enzo Mac.

Fighting Roy would have been a huge fight for him at that point.

Haye has ebormous respect for Roy, and has copied his style.

So he would have been fighting a guy who he looked up to, who was considered the worlds best fighter, who was even faster than he was.


So tell me why you think that Haye would have just bombed out Roy early?

Because I think the first few rounds would have been very cautious, with both guys feeling each other out.

I don't think Haye would even have attempted to have knocked out Roy early.

IMHO, he'd have been reluctant early, and he also could have been overawed by the occasion.


These are clearly things you don't consider when giving your opinion.


You seem to be overlooking these things, as well as Roy's incredible speed.


IMHO, it's just ignorant to think that Haye would blow him away early like he was a nobody.

 

Everyone saying Roy would have basically zero chance are still thinking about Roy going to sleep on the canvass after he dropped from HW.

Had this fight taken place instead of the Ruiz fight, Roy Jones would probably be the favorite.


I also think Roy was the fastest ever 175lb and at HW.. I don't think Haye has speed on Roy's level.

 

Roy wasn't open to anymore fights at Heavyweight. How do we know? He and Murad Muhammad agreed to a contract with Rodney Berman and Corrie Sanders with the same EXACT guarantee as he got for Ruiz, same exact fight venue and Roy's Grant Gloves. Then when Sanders signed on to Shatter Roy's Glass Jaw what happened? Jones decided he didn't want to risk.

Jones had ONE fight at Heavyweight. This tells us Ruiz was handpicked and he had ZERO intentions of another Heavyweeight fight because if he did he would have fought his WBA Mandatory who was originally Dr. Vitali Klitschko then David Tua when klitschko elected to fight for the WBC against Lennox. We all know how Roy loved mandatory fights but all the sudden he doesn't want to fight them anymore at Heavyweight :roflatsch

Roy is a Glass Jawed convicted Steroid cheat disgrace. He is now broke and fighting for peanuts in obscure places and off tv.

You need to quit posting your opinions/lies on here and stick with the Facts. People see through your bull**** especially the "Ruiz wasn't handpicked" excuse :roflatsch

That was THE definition of a handpicked fight. Just like when he handpicked Glen Johnson thinking he could win a meaningless trinket belt and was put into a coma by the feather fisted Johnson.

 

you think Roy was the fastest ever HW? Seriously? atsch

 

Yes, period.

 

Based on that sparring session with Ruiz? You ever heard of Ali, Patterson, and Tyson? And they actually could KO Heavyweights.

I didn't see anything from Jones against Ruiz to make a statement like that. Go watch Ali vs Cleveland Williams. That is speed.

 

I only quoted this part because I have obliterated the other crap too many times and am bored of it..

Roy fought Johnson so he could get back in the ring, and pick up a belt so he could fight Tarver for a 3rd time, and It would be a bigger fight because they would be unifying..

It didn't work out... But he wasn't just picking on the weakest guy, his plan was still Tarver at that point.

 

Based on that one fight, yes, I believe Roy to be the fastest HW, but he wasn't a true HW, he was basically a bulked up LHW, or a CW.

I am not sure what knocking HWs out has to do with who is faster, but Tyson was one of the hardest punchers ever, and Ali had underrated power.

 

Glen Johnson was a handpicked fight. Roy thought he could pick up a belt and call himself a 'champion' again. It was a huge mistake. He got savagely KOed live on HBO. Again.

 

Now I am not saying he wasn't fast but the fastest ever? No way. Not even close. Ali and Patterson were Light Heavyweights. Had he been able to use his speed to KO Ruiz like Ali and Patterson did to bigger guys I might agree but that fight was a glorified sparring session.